October 28, 2011 03:22PM
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Byrd Wrote:
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> WVK Wrote:
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> > But in how many places do the echos sound
> totally
> > different from the impulse
> > sound as they do in Chichen Itza?
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> Lots and lots of places. It depends on the shape
> of the space and the material. I would think that
> if this was significant, we'd find the precise
> setup at other large cities, including Tula.
Tula has the colonnades like the Temple of the Warriors that produce the
rattlesnake sound. There are Chirping staircases all over Mayaland.
"Over the past 31 years I have been fortunate to have been in just over a thousand Mesoamerican sites, and in a number of them for extended periods of time.
While working specifically at the sites of Coba, Kukikan (a satellite of Coba) and Santa Rosa Xtampak I found there appear to be structures and complexes which take advantage of the ability of stonework to enhance acoustics. In these three sites in particular are coliseum-like complexes in which one can talk in a normal voice at "center stage" and be heard at the edges of the complexes.
I have heard the term "singing stones" used in Yucatan to describe the type of stone which bests lends itself to increased sound enhancement. The last mentions were among the remains of the Chan Santa Cruz Maya who still inhabit the region around Coba. Whether or not this is a term which goes back in time I do not know. I am an archaeologist not a linguist or epigrapher. "I personally think at some point the ancient Maya learned by accident that stone could enhance sound and certain arrangements of structures within complexes could enhance the transmission of sound. Subtlety is inherent in their architecture. I only need to point at their ability to achieve visual impact via negative batter on walls of structures designed for the privileged members of their sites. Mesoamerican centers in general and Maya sites in particular are externally oriented complexes of structures built for the glorification of those who rule. Imagine if you will every surface filled with "state art" supporting the privileged with sight and sound."
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> > One sounds like
> > a quetzal, one sounds like a rattlesnake.
> > Do not the quetzal* and the rattlesnake**
> have
> > fundamental significant meaning to the Maya?
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> So do a lot of other things which could produce
> distinct sounds, including thunder and jaguars and
> eagles.
Not all sound are possible in stone architecture. According to Lubman Jaguar sound can be made in Great Ballcourt:
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