November 08, 2011 06:16AM
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Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> Wayne, David Lubman is not a mesoamericanist, he's
> an acoustical engineer. May I ask, is there a
> mesoamericanist who agrees with you?
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> Kat
How about INAH's own Dr. Peter Schmid?
Roughly ten or twelve years ago I happened upon a TV program that filmed Dr. Schmid and another INAH official demonstrating the chirped echo at Chichen Itza's temple of Kukulkan. Schmid claimed they knew about the chirped echo all along. I think Schmid also opined that it was intentional, but a fresh viewing is needed for certainty. It would be decisive if someone on this list has copied that video or can get it from INAH.
Why was the film made? At that time, INAH officials may have felt embarrassed or threatened that a potentially major discovery was made right under their noses by a novice and outsider (me). Perhaps this film was an institutional response.
Aztlan discussion list officials had better reason to be embarrassed. As Wayne Van Kirk has explained, Aztlan moderators were hostile to archaeoacoustics, cutting off discussions despite sympathetic posts from Mesoamericanist listeros.
What’s happened since then?
In 2006, Cambridge University’s McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research published a monograph "Archaeoacoustics", edited by respected British archaeologists Chris Scarre and Graeme Lawson. I reviewed it for J. Acoustical Society of America (ASA), arguably the world's foremost learned journal for scientific acoustics.
Mesoamericanists presented papers on the acoustics of pre-Columbian buildings at the Second Pan-American/Iberian Meeting on Acoustics in Cancun, Mexico (October, 2010.)
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scitation.aip.org]
Institutions represented include Mexico's UNAM, INAH, and USA's Stanford Univ.
Several universities have started archaeoacoustics programs.
The annual meeting of the AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of science) in Vancouver, Canada includes an archaeoacoustics symposium jointly sponsored by AAAS Sections on Anthropology and Engineering.
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aaas.confex.com]
A prominent archaeologist learning acoustics for a multidisciplinary study at Chavin de Huantar (Peru) is Stanford University's John Rick. He said something important for archaeologists to recognize: The most surprising thing he learned is that acoustics is a "hard science" (i.e., acoustics has authority to make statements based on irrefutable physical laws.)
Certain dismissive statements made about chirped echo acoustics by dissenting Mesoamericanists are at odds with those laws, or with accepted beliefs in the scientific acoustical community. But archaeologists and acousticians working together may reconcile archaeological belief with acoustical science to produce new understandings.
David Lubman
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