December 06, 2011 12:09PM
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WVK Wrote:
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> bernard Wrote:
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> > This is purely your ethnocentric
> imagination-- an
> > ad hoc attempt to keep on supporting the
> > hypothesis. You have absolutely no evidence
> from
> > Maya sources for such a ceremony, or for the
> idea
> > that "serpent flutter whispers" meant
> anything to
> > the Maya.
>
> I'd say that scholars have not considered
> acoustical evidence in their judgments
> regarding ceremony/structure.
Rather than producing cultural evidence from reliable sources supporting your hypothesis, you complain that scholars have not dealt with your hypothesis as if it were already a confirmed fact.
>
> Then we have the inconvenient fact that the three
> major Zuyua inspired structures,
> GBC, TotW, Castillo*, have acoustical phenomena
> rendered in massive scale
> with cultural associations. Coincidence? What are
> the odds?.
>
> *"Even more than Tula, Chichén Itzá is the purest
> earthly expression of Zuyuá architecture, and it
> is an expression that harmoniously combines
> foreign and native styles. Its heart is the grand
> temple, which Landa identified as Kukulkan’s,
> where Puuc stylistic elements combine with Zuyuá
> effigies. Called El Castillo today, it is a
> pyramid with serpentine balustrade stairways on
> all four sides. The Ball court is the biggest and
> most impressive in Mesoamerica. The Temple of the
> Warriors sits on an exceptional platform with
> hypostyle corridors. In short, the city is a
> fitting earthly residence for the God, Kukulkan."
You keep confusing the issue by conflating structures in the same paragraph. We have been dealing with the "mercado" temple and the sound produced by columns. Secondly, I hate unattributed quotes. Who wrote the quoted passage? I also see that you have not dealt with the fact that humans are almost a perfect sound absorber and no serpent sound, if it were produced in a temple with a roof, would be transmitted when the rituals were being conducted.
Another point of confusion that I keep trying to get sorted out is whether you and Lubman continue to think that the Kukulkan/quetzal chirp business applies to Classical Maya or that Chichen Itza is unique. You contradict me every time I point out that Chichen Itza is a radical departure from Classical Maya, but then you quote paragraphs like the one above.
Bernard
>
> WVK
(Formatted - Hermione)
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Katherine Reece |
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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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David Lubman |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Byrd |
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WVK |
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Jammer |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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Jammer |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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Byrd |
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WVK |
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Byrd |
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WVK |
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Byrd |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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David Lubman |
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Hermione |
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David Lubman |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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Katherine Reece |
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Jammer |
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David Lubman |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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WVK |
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David Lubman |
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Hermione |
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bernard |
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Katherine Reece |
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Hermione |
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David Lubman |
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Hermione |
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Jammer |
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Sirfiroth |
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Jammer |
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David Lubman |
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Hermione |
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Katherine Reece |
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David Lubman |
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Katherine Reece |
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David Lubman |
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Katherine Reece |
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Byrd |
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David Lubman |
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bernard |
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Hermione |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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David Lubman |
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bernard |
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David Lubman |
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Lee Olsen |
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David Lubman |
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Greg Reeder |
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Katherine Reece |
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bernard |
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Hermione |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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bernard |
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WVK |
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Katherine Reece |
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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg |
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WVK |
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Jammer |
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Byrd |
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