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> > > A handclap in front of the Temple of
> the
> > Warriors
> > > (while facing the giant statues of
> Kululcan
> > with
> > > rattles held high) produced a quetzal
> like
> > chirp
> > > from the stairs and a rattlesnake-like
> echo
> > > from the columns. I personally
> experienced
> > this.
> > > Some of that is shown here:
> > >
> > I was reviewing the thread and this is not
> > correct. The handclap producing a chirp in
> the
> > Youtube video is in front of the Castillo not
> the
> > Temple of the Warriors. Second, the
> > "rattlesnake-like" echo is produced in what
> is
> > called "El Mercado". A small problem for the
> > hypothesis is that, when Chichen Itza was
> > inhabited, this structure was a roofed
> structure
> > and filled with worshippers which would
> certainly
> > not produce a snake whirl from a remote
> handclap.
> > Bernard
>
> That video captures the rattlesnake sound poorly
> and simply
> shows that both sounds can be heard from a
> carefully aimed
> handclap from in front of El Castillo. I believe
> the rattlesnake
> sound would be shorter in duration compared to
> what was perceived
> in front of TotW due to the angle involved.
>
> A handclap in facing the TofW produces a similar
> type chirp, the rattlesnake sound
> is perceived ZZZZZzzzz as the sound reflects first
> from the near
> columns then recedes incrementally (round trip at
> the speed of sound) from the
> columns further away. This sound comes from the
> right as you face the steps,
> it's quite obvious (and impressive).
Are you claiming that a handclap in front of the TofW produces a QUETZAL chirp? The Video certainly did not produce the same chirp as the Castillo when the guide clapped his hand.
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> A roofed structure might enhance the effect since
> the sound wouldn't
> leak skyward. If this reconstruction is reasonably
> correct both chirp
> and rattlesnake sound would have been achievable
> when inhabited:
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> Perhaps David would kindly comment on this.
>
> The worshipers were not located amongst the
> columns according to the
> acoustical hypothesis offered. Accordingly the
> columns form not a market
> but a sonic crystal.
Sorry, but this is BS. We are not talking about any "hypothesis or sonic crystal" ofyour imagination but the reality of what went on at Chichen Itza. Again, this is a failure to read broadly about Mesoamerica. One of the big points made by scholars about Chichen Itza is the notable change in how religion was practiced as evidenced by the change in architecture. If you look at Classical Maya temples (very tall steep structures with a very small closed structure on top) and the "Mercado" structure we are talking about (low roofed columned space) modeled after the Toltec Tula of Central Mexico. The scholars interpret this as follows: Classical Maya rituals, like bloodletting from the penis or tongue, were mostly hidden from the common folk gathered before the temple and performed by rulers who then emerged and communicated with the worshippers. The Central Mexican model was a radical departure-- in Central Mexico elite warrior orders (the Eagles and Jaguars) participated in the rituals-- thus requiring a space
filled with participants i.e. the one story roofed structure with pillars supporting the roof.
No way in hell that you get a serpent flutter from a handclap in a roofed structure filled with worshippers. You are just resorting to ad hoc arguments with no evidence in order to continue to sustain a foregone conclusion. Roofed buildings filled with people just don't have the same acoustical properties as a row of columns in the open air with no one around and total silence. Come On!
Bernard
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