WVK Wrote:
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> bernard Wrote:
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> > Yes and the preceding paragraph addresses
> your
> > doubts that the architecture of Chichen Itza
> > shifted radically in order to accomodate a
> new
> > religious approach and rites:
>
> I am not arguing against traditional
> archaeological interpretation regarding the
> use of the architecture. However those
> interpretations do not consider culturally
> relevant acoustical phenomenon*. Therefore I
> object your contention that any and all
> elements of ceremony, without exception, had to be
> executed with the structure jam
> packed with worshipers. How can you know this with
> absolute certainty?
>
> *"Simultaneously, the images of the feathered
> serpent, a mythical being part human,
> bird, and reptile" Mexico’s Indigenous Past p.
> 274-75
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> > BTW
> > Here is a video about a strong flutter echo
> and
> > how an audience completely absorbs it, which
> is
> > what would happen even if, which I doubt, a
> > flutter echo would take place in a roofed
> mercado
> > full of people.
>
> No need to travel to Bixton for a decent flutter
> echo:
>
>
The point I was making is that you can get flutter echoes from all sorts of places. You don't have to postulate that it only happens in the Maya ballcourt. Actually, when you google flutter echoes what you mostly get are things dealing with how to get rid of them :-).
Further, the video you show. the flutter echo you get from a handclap is definitely NOT a rattlesnake rattle or a jaguar growl as Lubman proposes.
> BTW I was not the Mercado that generated the
> rattlesnake sound.
You and Lubman keep shuffling the goal posts. I keep trying to get you completely specify what your claims are.
1-- A handclap in front of the Castillo produces a quetzal chirp - supported by a sonogram and a comparison with a quetzal chirp. Proposed that it is due to step dimensions and 91 steps in the staircase of the Castillo, but if the T of W also produces a quetzal chirp this proposal is falsified.
2. A rattlesnake rattle (i.e. flutter echo) in the
Mercado produced by the handclap in front of the Castillo (this is what is supposedly heard in the video you posted. Subjective and not supported by a sonogram and comparison with a rattlesnake rattle sonogram.
3) A quetzal chirp produced by a handclap in front of the T of W. Is this a claim or not a claim? Subjective and not supported by a sonogram of the sound and comparison with a quetzal sonogram.
4) A rattlesnake sound produced by a handclap in front of the T of W. Is this a claim or not?
subjective and not supported by a sonogram and comparison with a rattlesnake sonogram. Up to now supposedly produced by the hypostyle columns in the Mercado, but now denied by you. Exactly what do you think is producing the supposed flutter echo from a handclap in front of the T of W?
5) Rattlesnake rattle and/or jaguar growl (flutter echo) in the Ball Court. Subjective not supported by sonogram and comparison with sonogram of rattlesnake or jaguar growl. Supposedly produced by contact of rubber ball against walls and/or leather garments of ball players-- hypothesis not tested accurately. Subjectively from posted video handclap in Ball court does not produce a rattlesnake flutter echo.
Bernard
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> WVK
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/08/2011 12:25PM by bernard.