After Sotuknang flooded the Third World Kuskurza, and Spider Women pulled the people out of the hallow stalks, maybe the nearly indestructable bamboo is the model, the people were looking for the Fourth World Sotuknang has created for them. The many birds they sent out to find land all came back tired, having found none, so "they planted a reed that grew high into the sky", climbed up and gazed "over the surface of the waters", but didn't see any land. The reed that grew into the sky may be the tree of life itself, man being the tree of life.

Sotuknang tells Spider Women they "must continue to travel", that the door on top of her head is still open and her inner wisdom will guide her. She told the people to make "round, flat boats of the hallow reeds" they came in, utilizing the old to build the new, and like they floaded in their stalks for seemingly forever, they again "entrusted themselves to the water and the inner wisdom to guide them" until they reached "another rocky island", which was bigger than the top of the highest mountain which remained fron the Third World Kuskurza. In terms of our evolution to "World Complete", the fourth, the ones that have climbed highest in awareness by always remembering their Creator, Sotuknang chose to begin a new race.

They built round, flat boats, so no canoes yet, they didn't know where they were going, they have never been there before, the future, so they went with the wind, and just like the current "exodus", the winds of change are blowing us into the next higher state.

"So they kept traveling toward the rising sun", yet guided by their inner wisdom, and "heard a low rumbling noise", which indicated to them that land may be near, it was, was a big and beautiful land "with grass and trees and flowers", and all sorts of other vegetation. I invented the vegetation. They rested a while but Spider Women pressed on owing to they had not found their final resting land.

They left the round small boat and "traveled by foot eastward across the island to the waters edge", where they found more of the "hallow plants like reeds of bamboo" (good thinking Charlotte ), they cut them, layed them criss-cross, tied them "with vines and leaves", huh, leaves with the Hindus are knowledge on the tree of life. Under the leadership of Spider Women they made paddles, now they had rafts big enough for one family. They were on their own now and it was all up hill from then on to a new beginning in a new world, as Sotuknang told them: "The farther you go the harder it gets" to orient ourselves. Even with paddles rafts don't go uphill.

They kept traveling "east and a little north", heard the low rumbling noise and found another land, "long, wide, and beautiful. The earth was rich and flat, covered with trees and plants, seed-bearers and nut-bearers, providing lots of food. The people were happy and kept staying there year after year." These sound like 2 of the 7 islands of Plato.

Beautiful as it was, it was not the Fourth World,the people would have it to easy "and soon fall into evil ways again. You must go on. Have we not told you the way becomes harder and longer?" Once again the people packed up their belongings and walked eastward to another shore, and made new rafts and paddles. Spider Women has done all she can, the people are on their own now to find the "place of Emergence" to the Fourth World. She tells them to keep their doors open and their spirits will guide them. They are sad, thanked her for all the help and will remember her words.

Day and night they paddled hard uphill "east and a little north." A little higher in awareness concerning their new home. They found one which "rose high above the waters, streching from north to south as far as they could see. A great land, a mighty land, their inner wisdom told them. "The Fourth World!" they cried to each other. But they could not land because "its shores rose higher and higher into a stepp wall of mountains", so they went further north in the hopes that they will find their "Place of Emergence", but the mountains just got higher and higher.

We can't keep going north, others said, they turned and went south, but "here too the mountain wall reared higher." There is no rest for the wicked. At a loss of what to do next, they threw in the paddle and "opened the doors on top of their heads, and let themselves be guided." As is always the case when one stops beating the air, "almost immediately the water smoothed out, and they felt their rafts caught up in a gentle current. Before long they landed and joyfully jumped out upon the sandy shore. "The Fourth World!" they cried. "We have reached our Place of Emergence at last!"

All the other people arrived at the place Sotuknang had prepared for them. Long time ago, the earth was not "finished" for human habitation, it was like an incubator for nascent humanity and it had to evolve with the earth, according to the Hopi also, as I pointed out before. Sotuknang appeared and told them to look back "at the way you have come." They looked west and south and "could see sticking out of the water the islands upon which they had rested" in our progress.

"These are the footprints of you journey," Sotuknang continued,"the tops of the high mountains of the Third World, which I destroyed. Now watch. As the people watched, the closest one sank under the water, then the next until all were gone, and they could see only water.

"See," said Sotuknang, "I have washed away even the footprints of your Emergence; the stepping-stones which I left for you. Down of the bottom of the seas lie all the proud cities, the flying patuwvoyas, and the worldly treasures corrupted with evil, and those people who found no time to sing praises to the Creator from the tops of their hills." So this "great and mighty land known as Atlantis "lies at the bottom of the seas."

"But the day will come, if you preserve the memory and the meaning of your Emergence, when these stepping-stones will emerge again to prove the truth you speak." The memory, and more importantly "the meaning", the Hopi, and seing how close their account of events is to Plato's, have, as well as the great Philosopher, preserved the story of our evolution within and without, together with the evolution of the phenomenal universe.

"This at last was the end of the Third World , Kuskurza (and ancient name for which there is no modern meaning). I'm sure the Hopi elder know the meaning of the name, as in their telling they tell so well, and someday it too will emerge for all of us to know.

Charlotte