Home of the The Hall of Ma'at on the Internet
Home
Discussion Forums
Papers
Authors
Web Links

May 16, 2024, 3:49 pm UTC    
October 05, 2005 04:58PM
My point is not that its impossible for the Spanish to have been viewed as "gods", but that after prolonged exposure that some if not most of the Mexica would not have concluded that they were NOT "gods". The example I gave from Diaz, indicates that Montazuma the man most, allegedly, taken with the idea of Cortez as a "god", most decidely NOT taking him for one, and this is before his kidnapping and the uprising. The logical inference is that if Montazuma could so conclude so could others.

I point out the examples you gave i/e., some modern tribes have so taken modern Europeans, that such "mistakes", are temporary and do not last long after any sort of sustained contacts. I note that the "corgo cults" did not take for "gods", for very long any way, the Europreans who were trading, traveling, among them.

The classic example is of course the European encounter with the tribes of Highland New Guinea, in the late twenties and early thirties of the last century. The natives may have initialy taken the Europeans for some sort of supernatural force but it ussually disapated in a matter of weeks if not hours.

The fact is the Spanish came into the Aztec capital with large numbers of bearers etc., from places which allied with the Spanish because they wanted allies against the allies and seemed to be aware they were not "gods", and had daily contact for months with the inhabitants of the capital all of which would likely disapate the idea the Spanish were "gods". None of this is to deny that the Mexica would not have continued to take the Spanish as possessing supernatural / magical powers, like the Mexica's own Priests. I just frankly can't take seriously the idea that after sustained contact the Mexica would have still overwhelmingly concluded that they were "gods", esspecially since many of the Indians who came with the Spanish could easily have told them the truth. I just can't imagine people so unobservant and clueless. The New Guinea Highlanders, I should point out were not even initially unanimous that the Explorers were "supernatural", so why should the Mexica have done so?

Pierre
Subject Author Posted

Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 27, 2005 03:44PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 27, 2005 05:53PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 27, 2005 06:01PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 27, 2005 06:26PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 27, 2005 07:36PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 08:52AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Pete Clarke September 28, 2005 09:06AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 09:21AM

excellant observation

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 09:20AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 10:19AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 10:53AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 11:04AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 11:26AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

bernard September 28, 2005 11:54AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 12:24PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 12:26PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 12:38PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 12:41PM

for Anna

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 12:57PM

Re: for Anna

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 01:00PM

Re: for Anna

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 01:05PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 01:13PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Jon K September 29, 2005 11:03AM

for Mr Pyatt

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 11:09AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 29, 2005 11:33AM

correction and ....cough..... mistake LOL

Jon K September 29, 2005 12:30PM

no Windmills in Mexico

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 12:40PM

Re: correction and ....cough..... mistake LOL

Katherine Reece September 29, 2005 12:46PM

citations

Anthony September 29, 2005 01:05PM

Re: citations

Jon K September 29, 2005 01:09PM

Please

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 01:11PM

Re: citations

Katherine Reece September 29, 2005 01:11PM

Re: correction and ....cough..... mistake LOL

Jon K October 01, 2005 12:35PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 12:12PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 28, 2005 12:16PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 12:39PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 12:20PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 12:40PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 12:43PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 01:12PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 05:12PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 05:50PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 06:14PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 06:33PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 06:35PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 06:49PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

bernard September 28, 2005 07:04PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 08:29PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 08:41PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 08:45PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 08:58PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

bernard September 28, 2005 09:08PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 09:20PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 09:22PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Marduk September 28, 2005 09:39PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 09:51PM

Score card

Hans September 28, 2005 11:18PM

Re: Score card

Katherine Reece September 28, 2005 11:24PM

Re: Score card

Hans September 29, 2005 03:19AM

sniff

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 09:22AM

Re: sniff

Hans September 30, 2005 12:45AM

Re: sniff

Warwick L Nixon September 30, 2005 11:09AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Hermione September 29, 2005 03:20AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 09:28AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 09:38AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Stephen Tonkin September 30, 2005 12:23PM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Hermione September 29, 2005 06:31AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Pacal September 29, 2005 11:01AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 11:04AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Pacal September 29, 2005 10:34AM

Re: Marduk ... re Nasca

Anthony September 29, 2005 10:50AM

Clam's Eye View

Warwick L Nixon September 29, 2005 10:57AM

just a note

Jon K September 29, 2005 12:45PM

Re: just a note

bernard September 29, 2005 01:57PM

Re: just a note

Sam September 29, 2005 02:14PM

Re: just a note

bernard September 29, 2005 02:34PM

Re: just a note

Anthony September 29, 2005 03:56PM

Re: just a note

Pacal September 29, 2005 02:10PM

Re: just a note

bernard September 29, 2005 03:34PM

Re: just a note

Pacal September 30, 2005 02:53PM

Re: just a note

bernard September 30, 2005 03:57PM

Re: just a note

Pacal October 03, 2005 06:09PM

Re: just a note

Jon K October 05, 2005 12:55PM

Re: just a note

Pacal October 05, 2005 04:58PM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login