Marduk Wrote:
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> Dilmun the fabled Sumerian eden is also described
>
> as being the land where the sun sets in babylonian
> stories
> it is described as being where the sun rises in
> sumerian stories
> it is described as the underworld because
> obviously it is under the known world
> i thought that quite simple to understand.
>
> if you like i could start posting selected
> highlights from sumerian texts that back all this
> up
> saying that theres no evidence that this journey
> ever oucoured places the ball firmly back in
> Sitchens corner
> the sumerians knew there was another continent to
> the east
> the babylonians knew it was to the west
> this is only possible if someone travelled to it
> towards the east across the pacific island chains
> along the 30th parallel where all the legends of
> the indigenous tribes record this and then
> returned to Sumer by carrying on in the same
> easterly direction.
>
> the best source on earth for tin at this time was
> right near lake titicaca
> where tin mines have been found mined out in the
> late neolithic period.
> the sumerians didn't value gold very much as their
> economy was based on silver
> which goes someway to explaining why the locals
> later had gold in abundance
>
> And really
> come on now
> the depiction of the sumerian tree of life is
> clearly a coca bush
>
>
> its the right height the right shape and has
> yellow flowers as stated in the gilgamesh story
> it is clear that Gilgamesh was never a king of
> Uruk but then captain nemo was never a captain of
> a submarine but that doesn't mean that both
> captains and submarines are purely mythological
> the sumerian texts are described as myths when in
> reality they are contempory texts
> theres been no handing down through the
> generations that twist the usual mythological
> stories that we all know so well
> they are as they were written when the events
> described unfolded
> and anyone attempting to debunk that fact would do
> well to actually read them first and then and only
> then attempt to answer the question
>
> the fact that the gilgamesh story describes south
> america so well as being across a vast sea debunks
> totally the idea that the cedar forest is in the
> lebanon as orthodoxy suggests
> theres plenty of cedar forests in peru
>
> another reoccuring theme in sumerian texts is the
> mountain range where both lapis lazuli silver and
> cornelian are found in abundance.
> the Sumerians called the mountain where
> Upnapishtims temple was located red snake
> mountain
> when the area around titcaca is literally crawling
> with red tailed boa
>
> large red snake very noteworthy
> and the dragon boats of titicaca are identical to
> those used by the sumerian civilisation
> in both their construction and their outward
> design
>
>
>
> were it just one facet of these myths that matched
> America i would agree its just a coincedence but
> in every story of the underworld or dilmun or the
> netherworld as it is sometimes called there is
> more and more evidence that describes what can
> only be south america
> The fact that the sumerians settled in areas of
> marshland where they could find supplies of both
> reeds for boat building and clay for temple
> building is lost on most as insignificant
>
> this isn't a theory i thought of and then found
> the facts to fit
> its is a theory arrived at by studying all the
> facts first
> or perhaps you can explain to me just why the
> sumerian winged disc and that of the mesoamericans
> are almost identical
>
>
> remember now that Quetzcoatl is described as being
> bearded and white skinned in most tribal myths and
> also as coming from the east on a boat and
> bringing with him civilisation
> and why perhaps they aligned their buildings in
> the same northeasterly direction
>
>
> trust me on this one
> it has nothing whatsoever to do with venus
>
>
>
> " We have, after all, recovered bodies not only of
> regular burials and sacrifices but now have bodies
> of the rulers who were found buried in the
> pyramids. "
> how many bodies
> and from what period
> iirc the normal claims that the populations were
> in excess of 30,000 people.
> and i'm not saying that the sumerians settled the
> land for centuries
> the sumerians texts themselves say less than 180
> years
> and the fact that this habitation ended in 3421
> bce when a huge storm hit the region and washed
> away all their crops leading to mass starvation
> and death by drowning in low lying regions would
> tend to point to the fact that you're unlikely to
> ever find any bodies with middle eastern features.
>
> If this is too difficult for you guys to get your
> heads round then i'll save the real evidence for
> another time
>
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 09/28/05 09:25AM by
> marduk.
1) Apart from the fact that the dates for Sumerian civilization and Titicaca, Teotihuacan are far far apart. there is the slight problems of exactly Sumerians were supposed to make the round trip to the New World- much less carry on a triving commercial cargo exchange. The reed boats shown are not long-range ocean going vessels.

2) There is no authentic pre-columbian source claiming that Quetzalcoatl was a "bearded white man" stop reading Heyerdahl. Please provide a quote with citation from a genuine Mesoamerican source that says Quetzalcoatl was a "bearded white man"
Bernard