Sorry if i misquoted
i wasn't trying to be evasive
i personally don't put much faith into any Spanish retellings of indian myths
i doubt their motives in most cases
but this legend is pretty much standard through all indian tribes on the continent
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Dilmun the fabled Sumerian eden is also described as being the land where the sun sets where the babylonian flood story states that Ziusudra went to live after the flood
in Gilgamesh there is the reference at the start


He went on a distant journey, pushing himself to exhaustion
It was he who opened the mountain passes,
who dug wells on the flank of the mountain.
It was he who crossed the ocean, the vast seas, to the rising sun,
who explored the world regions, seeking life.

then later on in enkidus dream it states
Seizing me, he led me down to the House of Darkness,
the dwelling of Irkalla,
to the house where those who enter do not come out,
along the road of no return,
to the house where those who dwell, do without light,
where dirt is their drink, their food is of clay,
where, like a bird, they wear garments of feathers,


and then also in Gilgamesh he travels to the UNDERworld to meet Upnapishtim (same character as ziusudra) who is located across a vast sea through a huge forest through a cedar wood and then he finds him at a mountain temple
the description of the Sumerian UNDERworld
which has the following elements
Great Rivers
Huge Forests
Cedar Woods
Mountains full of silver
monkeys
red snakes
Lots of snakes
colourful birds
mountain temples
and special flowers that grow there and nowhere else
there also of course is the tree of life
heres a picture of an assyrian carving of it which is the same as the sumerian depictions but with more detail

its also shown as being bush sized and so not a tree at all
and then theres this flower

from the coca plant

remember Gilgamesh and his quest for a special yellow flower that gives life to the afflicted
and of course you have you're very own cocaine mummies in a later period with the hanging gardens of babylon just down the road
must have got their coke from somewhere

the amount of sumerian texts that mention abundant fields built on a huge flood plain are too numerous to mention in addition to mentioning crops of corn and special barley
special figs
etc
etc
i could go on all night with this but you get my point
why do you think the pope tried so hard to exterminate their culture exactly ?
his claims that they were all heretics when you consider that a heretic is one who's personal beleifs do not allow a belief in the one true god
why should they
when they met them and based their civilisation on what they were taught
and then theres the Hopi
enough enough
don't get me started on this one

it could run and run

I haven't even started on the poly/micronesian beliefs yet
or the fact that they all say the same thing
"we were civilised by white skinned gods who travelled from the west and headed east towards a great continent. They took and killed most of our men and all of our women and then gave us their own women to repopulate our islands with"

One way to enforce good behaviour in your slaves.
make sure that their mothers are your sisters
Why do you think Gilagmesh ordered shamhat to sleep with enkidu
do you have an opinion on that ?
and you know the sumerians suddenly got their hands on a hell of a lot of tin around 3500bce
its what started the bronze age




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2005 06:34PM by marduk.