November 23, 2005 09:00AM
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Pacal Wrote:
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> Having read the posts in this thread and learned
> nothing from them I might as well give my two
> cents.
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> 1, Far too many people are "impressed" with the
> "facts" in TDVC. The "facts" in TDVC are few and
> far between including the alleged Da Vinchi Code.
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Obviously.
>
> 2, The author D. Brown is on the record as
> repeatidly stating that the book as a factual
> basis, i.e., some of the absurd ideas.
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Very ambigous term. Until he specifically lists everything as being fact or not-fact, it's open to interpretation.
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> 3, The books evidenciary base is the excremental
> Holy Blood and Holy Grail, and it is equally
> valueless as "truth".
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Is it not possible that a REAL human person's life was merged with the mythical character of Jesus/Mithra/et. al.? I would argue it's probable that this happened.
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> 4, The notion that Jesus married Mary Magdalane
> and founded a "Grail Dynasty" in France is pure
> fantasy, despite .
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In totality, what you say may well be pure fantasy. The bigger picture, to me, is the humanity of Jesus and what would change in this story IF he were purely human.
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> 5, Vast numbers of people take the nonsense in the
> book seriously and Mr. Brown by his comments has
> fed the fantasies of believers.
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And those believers SOLELY have responsibility for their own views and beliefs.
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> 6, I'm amazed at the willingness to asume
> "agendas" from people who critique the book. And
> besides "agendas" can work both ways.
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After much research yesterday, here is what I have found:
Those that are vehemently against it are either Christian (moderate to devout/fundamentalist), Catholic (technically Christian), and historians. Strange bedfellows indeed.
Those that like the book and see NO moral issues with it being "fiction" are regular people with liberal views on religion and life.
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> 7, D. Brown's comments regarding various Catholic
> organizations might be understood better if it is
> compared to a fiction book that describes me in
> such detail that I am reconizable to those who
> know me, (including shall we say my real name and
> were I live) and in the book I'm accused of murder
> and pedophilia. Sorry but the cry that its just
> fiction would not cut it.
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Even if it's fiction? The court of public opinion is one that can't be harnessed (legally). If some nutbags want to think X about you (or anyone else), I don't think it's much to worry about.
Did you see my posts about "secrecy" and how that enters into this. No, not ALL secret organizations are nefarious but if your organization DOES practice secrecy, you open yourself up for speculation about all kinds of things.
So, the best way to not have to worry about being in an org. like Opus Dei that might be accused (in a fictional sense) of practicing misdeeds is to NOT be in an org. like that. Simple.
JL
>
> Pierre
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>
Shephard of Hermas - 2[79]:2 Now this rock was ancient, and had a gate hewn out of it; but the gate seemed to me to have been hewed out quite recently. And the gate glistened beyond the brightness of the sun, so that I marvelled at the brightness of the gate.
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