November 21, 2005 05:34PM
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Jim Lewandowski Wrote:
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> > Yes. Because there is no secret,
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> ***
> Then I'm sure the Vatican will change the name of
> their Secret Archives (of which all pre-8th
> century disappeared) to the Archives and allow
> free access. No, they don't HAVE to, but if they
> care about truth, they would.
In all these discussions it seems to be you that doesn't care about truth. If those who have dedicated their lives to truth are so busy covering it up, and you are not, why is it that you espouse ideas that are well known to be modern inventions.
Try any even half reliable source on the web. Here's Wikipedia;
[qutoe]The popular version of the Priory of Sion that involved Godfrey de Bouillon, the Knights Templar, the Merovingians, etc, was contrived by Plantard during the early 1960s when he first met author Gerard de Sede and when they first began writing articles and books on the Gisors story that was first started by Roger Lhomoy (Lhomoy was Gerard de Sede's pig-farmer at the time). The Rennes-le-Chateau connection with the Priory of Sion came later.
[...]
The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail were told prior to the publication of their book that their various theories weren't plausible because the true facts about Pierre Plantard and the Priory of Sion were passed on to them by the French journalist and author Jean-Luc Chaumeil, who has an extensive archive on this subject matter.
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en.wikipedia.org]
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>
> Jesus was not
> > married to Mary Madgalen
> > they did not have a child
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> ***
> If the story of Jesus mixed a mythical character
> (Mithra) with a real one, it is at least
> possible.
Yeah and if my cat is really the commander of this octant of the galaxy, its possible she inspired the ancient egyptian civilisation.
>
>
> and the Catholic Church
> > does not have albino
> > assassin monks going around killing people.
>
>
> ***
> What about regular (non-albino) monks? What about
> non-monks? While there is no proof, it strikes me
> as quite possible (probable) based on the past
> acts of said institution that things like this
> occurred.
How about you learn some real history - instead of spouting out if ... maybe ... then ... possibly kind of things that the historians you criticise for finding Dan Brown disingenuous know far better than you.
>
>
> >
> > Or, saying Opus Dei did act X?
> >
> > Claiming a conservative Catholic spiritual
> > organization is a front for
> > assassins strikes me as offensive.
>
>
> ***
> Is that what Brown specifically says? Or
> implies?
Get to the point Jim. The fact is Dan Brown leaves many of his readers thinking that's what Opus Dei is all about. Every good historical novel I have read has a section (usually at the end) which makes an honest attempt to seperate the fact from the fiction. And they usually even say something about all errors being their own fault rather than the real historians that advised them. Dan Brown does none of that. Its difficult to see any honest, dilligent or sincere intention on his part whatsoever.
>
>
> We might throw
> > in the *fact* that Opus
> > Dei is a lay organization which has no
> monks.
>
> ***
> I thought it was a work of fiction?
>
It is - completely. And yet you are suggesting that aspects of it are true. What is all that about ?
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