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Jim Lewandowski
November 21, 2005 12:52PM
Simon Wrote:
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> This has been discussed loads already here. He
> does everything he can to suggest that only the
> explicit plot and characters are fictional. Here
> are a few things I lifted from the FAQ section of
> his web site
> (http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/faqs.
> html) when we last discussed it;
>
>
> 1) "My hope in writing this novel was that the
> story would serve as a catalyst and a springboard
> for people to discuss the important topics of
> faith, religion, and history. "
>
> So its not as if he was just writing a fictional
> novel for entertainment.

***
Obviously given the subject matter.


>
>
> 2) "SOME OF THE HISTORY IN THIS NOVEL CONTRADICTS
> WHAT I LEARNED IN SCHOOL. WHAT SHOULD I BELIEVE?
> Since the beginning of recorded time, history has
> been written by the "winners" (those societies and
> belief systems that conquered and survived).
> Despite an obvious bias in this accounting method,
> we still measure the "historical accuracy" of a
> given concept by examining how well it concurs
> with our existing historical record. Many
> historians now believe (as do I) that in gauging
> the historical accuracy of a given concept, we
> should first ask ourselves a far deeper question:
> How historically accurate is history itself?"
>
> This is what all the pseudo historians do as well.
> Say that all history is suspect so it doesn't
> really matter what I say, or what historians say.
> Its all equally credible at the end of the day.

***
I disagree. I think all history should be considered suspect. That does not mean that all or even any history IS suspect.


>
>
> 3) "THE COVER OF YOUR BOOK MENTIONS "THE GREATEST
> CONSPIRACY OF THE PAST 2000 YEARS." WHAT IS THIS
> CONSPIRACY?
> Revealing that secret would rob readers of all the
> fun, but I will say that it relates to one of the
> most famous histories of all time…a legend
> familiar to all of us. Rumors of this conspiracy
> have been whispered for centuries in countless
> languages, including the languages of art, music,
> and literature. Some of the most dramatic evidence
> can be found in the paintings of Leonardo Da
> Vinci, which seem to overflow with mystifying
> symbolism, anomalies, and codes. Art historians
> agree that Da Vinci's paintings contain hidden
> levels of meaning that go well beneath the surface
> of the paint. Many scholars believe his work
> intentionally provides clues to a powerful
> secret…a secret that remains protected to this day
> by a clandestine brotherhood of which Da Vinci was
> a member."
>
> So does that seem like he is suggesting that the
> actual theories proposed by the characters in the
> book are supposed to be taken as fictional ???

***
Use of the word "seem" implies to me conjecture/speculation.


>
>
> 4) "I spent a year doing research before writing
> The Da Vinci Code."
>
> So all the factual errors where despite a years
> research before he started writing it ?

***
Can you give an instance of a "factual error" that, IYO, fits your statement above.

IOW, if Brown says painting X is in the Louvre museum in France but it's really at another museum, why do you think he would make that "simple" mistake?


And in a
> year of research he did not even come across the
> fact historians consider the majority of what he
> framed it on to be completely wrong for very good
> reasons ?

***
I then assume, that in his book, Brown doesn't bring up counter evidence or traditional views on this whole thing.


>
>
> 5) "HOW DID YOU GET ALL THE INSIDE INFORMATION FOR
> THIS BOOK?
> Most of the information is not as "inside" as it
> seems. The secret described in the novel has been
> chronicled for centuries, so there are thousands
> of sources to draw from. In addition, I was
> surprised how eager historians were to share their
> expertise with me. One academic told me her
> enthusiasm for The Da Vinci Code was based in part
> on her hope that "this ancient mystery would be
> unveiled to a wider audience.""
>
> Ahh so he consulted historians ? Can he name them
> ? What is their subject ?

***
Why name them? It's a fictional book. It seems an oxymoron.


>
> Again its not like he's allowing much room for the
> theories to be fictional in any way.

***
If Brown is trying to unfictionalize a true story, why write it under the guise of fiction? Seems to me he's smart enough to realize that related non-fiction books sell frightfully low compared to his total market.


>
>
> 6) "WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A CONSPIRACY
> THEORIST?
> Hardly. In fact, I'm quite the opposite--more of a
> skeptic. I see no truth whatsoever in stories of
> extraterrestrial visitors,..."
>
> LOL

***
I like it!

JL


>
>
>
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>
>
> Simon
>
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fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 10:52AM

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Anthony November 21, 2005 11:06AM

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Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 11:20AM

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Anthony November 21, 2005 11:32AM

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msteurbaut November 21, 2005 12:58PM

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MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:43PM

Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:51PM

Re: Wait a minute

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:26PM

Re: Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:37PM

Re: Wait a minute

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 07:03PM

Re: Wait a minute

darkuser November 22, 2005 07:37AM

Re: Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:11AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephen Tonkin November 21, 2005 11:24AM

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Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 11:33AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Anthony November 21, 2005 11:42AM

please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:01PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Simon November 21, 2005 12:37PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:52PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:14PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Anthony November 21, 2005 03:15PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:28PM

umm

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:48PM

Re: umm

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:54PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

darkuser November 22, 2005 07:46AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:50PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Katherine Reece November 21, 2005 11:38AM

stupid is as stupid does

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:03PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Simon November 21, 2005 12:43PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 12:46PM

but you can't force anyone to think like you do

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:55PM

Re: but you can't force anyone to think like you do

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:00PM

let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:23PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:57PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:08PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:08PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:28PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:19PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:21PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

ROxana November 21, 2005 05:23PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:27PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:01PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:07PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:20PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:31PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:50PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 07:02PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 07:14PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 05:34PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:43PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 06:18PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:28PM

Truth is important, fiction is fine when it acknowledges the fiction.

Simon November 21, 2005 07:29PM

Re: Truth is important, fiction is fine when it acknowledges the fiction.

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:34AM

just a note....

darkuser November 22, 2005 08:06AM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:24PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 03:57PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:59PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 05:16PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 05:27PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 05:04PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:07AM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:55PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:01PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:29PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:40PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 06:57AM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:49PM

but it's FICTION

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Re: but it's FICTION

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:03PM

IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:15PM

Re: IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:00PM

Re: IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:21PM

better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 03:54PM

Re: better than that

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:58PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:02PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:25PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:48PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:58PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 05:25PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:37PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:04PM

NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:10PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:23PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:35PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:45PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:50PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 07:10PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:22PM

Re: better than that

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:36PM

But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:01PM

Re: But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 05:04PM

do you deny the past misdeeds of the Catholic church?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:30PM

No

Simon November 21, 2005 05:42PM

Re: do you deny the past misdeeds of the Catholic church?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 05:43PM

Re: But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Roxana November 21, 2005 05:28PM

Re: better than that

ROxana November 21, 2005 05:13PM

Re: but it's FICTION

Anthony November 21, 2005 03:19PM

Re: but it's FICTION

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:36AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Chris Catignani November 21, 2005 11:44AM

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Chris Catignani November 21, 2005 12:10PM

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ROxana November 21, 2005 12:51PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:53PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:57PM

is Brown preventing ANYONE from findout out on their own?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:58PM

Re: is Brown preventing ANYONE from findout out on their own?

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:05PM

depends

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:21PM

one word

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:06PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:45PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 12:51PM

what's the difference?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Re: what's the difference?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:02PM

people are free to believe what they want

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:24PM

Re: people are free to believe what they want

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:58PM

Re: people are free to believe what they want

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:10PM

yes and no

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:54PM

Re: yes and no

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Why mention Shriners?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:57PM

Re: Why mention Shriners?

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:01PM

Re: Why mention Shriners?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:03PM

try to keep the strawmen out and keep to the topic

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:22PM

do you not understand the word "usually"?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:17PM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:01PM

secrecy regarding GROUPS of people (organizations)

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:17PM

Re: secrecy regarding GROUPS of people (organizations)

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:01PM

Re: yes and no

MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 07:11AM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:04AM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:55PM

gee, we KNEW what they were doing

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:04PM

I'm gonna pass completely

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:07PM

Re: I'm gonna pass completely

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:11PM

Re: I'm gonna pass completely

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:20PM

Moderator note

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:34PM

THANKS everyone for participating

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 07:16PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 08:24AM

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darkuser November 22, 2005 09:22AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:38AM

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Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 09:43AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:59AM

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Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 10:19AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:25AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 10:35AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:44AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:37AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 11:44AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:01PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 12:53PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:58PM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:08PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:11PM

Moderation note

Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:25PM

Agreed...

Katherine Reece November 22, 2005 01:29PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:08PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:15PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:24PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:07PM

Moderator note

Stephanie November 22, 2005 03:33PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:49AM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 12:57PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:05PM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:10PM

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Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 09:43AM

The Dei today

John Wall November 22, 2005 08:44AM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 10:42AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:58AM

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John Wall November 22, 2005 12:11PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:18PM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 10:50AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:39AM

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John Wall November 22, 2005 11:44AM

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Lee November 22, 2005 12:08PM

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Pete Clarke November 23, 2005 03:59AM

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Lee November 23, 2005 09:31AM

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Pete Clarke November 23, 2005 09:43AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 09:32AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 12:51PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:55PM

responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:01PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:08PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:12PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:18PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:28PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:02PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:53AM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:13AM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:18AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 12:43PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:57PM

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Simon November 22, 2005 01:19PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:31PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:15PM

eureka!!!

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:56AM

Re: eureka!!!

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:14AM

Re: eureka!!!

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:21AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 03:21PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 04:16PM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 05:31PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 05:53PM

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MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 07:25PM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 08:41AM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 09:09PM

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Pacal November 22, 2005 08:28PM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 09:00AM

So an author can write anything he wants......

darkuser November 23, 2005 09:58AM

Re: So an author can write anything he wants......

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:05AM

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Lee November 23, 2005 10:02AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:11AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:14AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:19AM

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