November 22, 2005 09:09PM
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JimLewandowski Wrote:
> ***
> Lies can be defined in the courts (actual) or
> public opinion. Libel is a legal term. But, as
> you may guess, lies and libel can be SUBjective in
> nature (eye of beholder).
Brown's lies are not subjective but matters of provable
fact - not that you care.
> Oh,
> > and promoters of hate are not responsible
> for
> > those who act on their message.
>
> ***
> This I strongly believe otherwise certain events
> in the past and present that were based on one's
> belief of a "book" would deem THAT book as
> "hateful" (which would never fly, though it would
> be interesting to see).
The problem with the Book in question is it is so wide ranging
and various in it's parts that you can by cherry picking justify
*anything*. Now as it happens I think people who justify things
like racial prejudice, subjugation of women, killing of unbelievers,
ect. by this Book are in serious error and their actions are punishable.
Let us take a less touchy example: 'Catcher in the Rye'. This has been
the favorite book and claimed inspiration of murderers but Salinger is
not to blame because he was not deliberately inciting murder in his book.
Brown on the other hand is quite deliberately accusing the Catholic Church
centuries of deception, and Opus Dei of being an organization of murderers.
Given the existent anti-Catholic sentiment this kind of (fake) validation is
irrepsonsible.
In short there is a difference between a book, religious or fictional, that
is misinterpreted and one which is a deliberate work of propaganda.
Remember, one must have
> consistency in their morals to mean anything.
> Thus, there's no hypocrisy on my part.
No, just a cavalier attitude towards both objective truth and consequences
of falsehoods.
> Regardless, I think PERSONAL responsibility trumps
> all other perceived responsibilities on the part
> of my fellow humans.
So do I. Hence my holding Brown responsible for his falsehoods
and any harm they might do.
> ***
> You seem to have a strict-father model view of the
> world. Mine is the opposite.
I would say you live in a fantasy world where ideas exist in a vacuum
entirely unconnected with consequences or responsibility.
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