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> > > Yes. Because there is no secret,
> >
> > ***
> > Then I'm sure the Vatican will change the
> name of
> > their Secret Archives (of which all pre-8th
> > century disappeared) to the Archives and
> allow
> > free access. No, they don't HAVE to, but if
> they
> > care about truth, they would.
>
>
> In all these discussions it seems to be you that
> doesn't care about truth. If those who have
> dedicated their lives to truth are so busy
> covering it up, and you are not, why is it that
> you espouse ideas that are well known to be modern
> inventions.

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What ideas have I espoused that aren't true?


>
> Try any even half reliable source on the web.
> Here's Wikipedia;
>
>
> The popular version of the Priory of Sion that
> involved Godfrey de Bouillon, the Knights Templar,
> the Merovingians, etc, was contrived by Plantard
> during the early 1960s when he first met author
> Gerard de Sede and when they first began writing
> articles and books on the Gisors story that was
> first started by Roger Lhomoy (Lhomoy was Gerard
> de Sede's pig-farmer at the time). The
> Rennes-le-Chateau connection with the Priory of
> Sion came later.
>
> [...]
>
> The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail were told
> prior to the publication of their book that their
> various theories weren't plausible because the
> true facts about Pierre Plantard and the Priory of
> Sion were passed on to them by the French
> journalist and author Jean-Luc Chaumeil, who has
> an extensive archive on this subject matter.

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It's obvious not all of Brown's novel is "factual". I don't understand the point to the above post contents.


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> >
> >
> > Jesus was not
> > > married to Mary Madgalen
> > > they did not have a child
> >
> > ***
> > If the story of Jesus mixed a mythical
> character
> > (Mithra) with a real one, it is at least
> > possible.
>
>
> Yeah and if my cat is really the commander of this
> octant of the galaxy, its possible she inspired
> the ancient egyptian civilisation.

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So, you're saying Mithra and Christ have no similarities? And, you're also saying there's no circumstantial evidence to these similarities (additional)? And, you're also saying there was never a such a thing as competition between religions?



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> >
> >
> > and the Catholic Church
> > > does not have albino
> > > assassin monks going around killing
> people.
> >
> >
> > ***
> > What about regular (non-albino) monks? What
> about
> > non-monks? While there is no proof, it
> strikes me
> > as quite possible (probable) based on the
> past
> > acts of said institution that things like
> this
> > occurred.
>
>
> How about you learn some real history - instead of
> spouting out if ... maybe ... then ... possibly
> kind of things that the historians you criticise
> for finding Dan Brown disingenuous know far better
> than you.

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Who's criticizing historians? I'm not following at all.


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> >
> >
> > >
> > > Or, saying Opus Dei did act X?
> > >
> > > Claiming a conservative Catholic
> spiritual
> > > organization is a front for
> > > assassins strikes me as offensive.
> >
> >
> > ***
> > Is that what Brown specifically says? Or
> > implies?
>
> Get to the point Jim. The fact is Dan Brown
> leaves many of his readers thinking that's what
> Opus Dei is all about.

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So, he alone has the POWER to make people think what he wants them to? Certainly, freedom of speech in the U.S. (excluding libel, slander, and avenue) has gone TOO far.



Every good historical
> novel I have read has a section (usually at the
> end) which makes an honest attempt to seperate the
> fact from the fiction. And they usually even say
> something about all errors being their own fault
> rather than the real historians that advised them.
> Dan Brown does none of that. Its difficult to
> see any honest, dilligent or sincere intention on
> his part whatsoever.

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We differ in opinion on this. I believe his illustrated edition would clarify this.


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> >
> >
> > We might throw
> > > in the *fact* that Opus
> > > Dei is a lay organization which has no
> > monks.
> >
> > ***
> > I thought it was a work of fiction?
> >
>
> It is - completely. And yet you are suggesting
> that aspects of it are true. What is all that
> about ?

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DaVinci seems to have been a real person. The Louvre seems to be a real museum. The character of Jesus was written about. Ditto Mary M. OPus Dei exists. Things like that.

JL


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