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May 21, 2024, 1:05 am UTC    
November 21, 2005 05:25PM
Jim Lewandowski Wrote:
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> Stephanie Wrote:
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>
>
> ***
> Does this mean EVERY author has the impetus on
> himself to never, ever offer a fictional attribute
> in a fictional novel unless they specifically say
> so?

No but I do think that in the case of living individuals and organizations, care should be taken to protect those individuals/organizations. It's kind of like that disclaimer that you sometimes see in front of movies about any resemblance to actual individuals blah blah blah. Why not make another organization if it's going to be painted badly? Why does it have to be a real organization? Inspiration from real people/organizations is fine. The thing is, it doesn't have to be called the same name.

>
> ***
> And I'm sure you can draw a parallel to this (book
> posited as factual) in modern life.

Yep, it happens alot. Moreso now than 30 years ago because of the internet.

>
> ***
> If you were the member of a group and Brown wrote
> about an albino assassin as part of your group (in
> a fictional book), would you even waste your time
> to "correct" the "fact"? I wouldn't.

I would because it would be wrongfully portraying my organization--especially if I was receiving correspondence and phone calls inquiring about the fictional activities. This is what has actually happened to many of the things involved with this particuliar book. They've been inundated with calls and other forms of correspondence asking "is this real?". The first time would be funny. The thousandth time, it'd lose its humour. That's why it is so unfair to have actual organizations and people in a book like this. If it's a smash, then these things are going to be subjected to alot of unsolicited attention.

>
> Let's say your organization is ALWAYS portrayed as
> having an albino assassin but there is no evidence
> to that. Would you waste your time to correct the
> fact?

Yep because it would get really tiring to be so grossly maligned.

>
> ***
> Since it's a work of fiction, all bets are off,
> IMHO. Hence, the GENIUS of Brown.

Actually, using real events and real organizations is simply a writing trick to add to the plausibility of the story. It aids the suspension of disbelief. It's not genius. It's what just about every would-be writer learns if they've taken any fictional writing courses.

Stephanie




In every man there is something wherein I may learn of him, and in that I am his pupil.--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 10:52AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Anthony November 21, 2005 11:06AM

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Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 11:20AM

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Anthony November 21, 2005 11:32AM

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msteurbaut November 21, 2005 12:58PM

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MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:43PM

Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:51PM

Re: Wait a minute

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:26PM

Re: Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:37PM

Re: Wait a minute

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 07:03PM

Re: Wait a minute

darkuser November 22, 2005 07:37AM

Re: Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:11AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephen Tonkin November 21, 2005 11:24AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 11:33AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Anthony November 21, 2005 11:42AM

please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:01PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Simon November 21, 2005 12:37PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:52PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:14PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Anthony November 21, 2005 03:15PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:28PM

umm

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:48PM

Re: umm

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:54PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

darkuser November 22, 2005 07:46AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:50PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Katherine Reece November 21, 2005 11:38AM

stupid is as stupid does

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:03PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Simon November 21, 2005 12:43PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 12:46PM

but you can't force anyone to think like you do

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:55PM

Re: but you can't force anyone to think like you do

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:00PM

let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:23PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:57PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:08PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:08PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:28PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:19PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:21PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

ROxana November 21, 2005 05:23PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:27PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:01PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:07PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:20PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:31PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:50PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 07:02PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 07:14PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 05:34PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:43PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 06:18PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:28PM

Truth is important, fiction is fine when it acknowledges the fiction.

Simon November 21, 2005 07:29PM

Re: Truth is important, fiction is fine when it acknowledges the fiction.

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:34AM

just a note....

darkuser November 22, 2005 08:06AM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:24PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 03:57PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:59PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 05:16PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 05:27PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 05:04PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:07AM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:55PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:01PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:29PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:40PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 06:57AM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:49PM

but it's FICTION

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Re: but it's FICTION

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:03PM

IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:15PM

Re: IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:00PM

Re: IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:21PM

better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 03:54PM

Re: better than that

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:58PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:02PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:25PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:48PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:58PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 05:25PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:37PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:04PM

NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:10PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:23PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:35PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:45PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:50PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 07:10PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:22PM

Re: better than that

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:36PM

But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:01PM

Re: But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 05:04PM

do you deny the past misdeeds of the Catholic church?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:30PM

No

Simon November 21, 2005 05:42PM

Re: do you deny the past misdeeds of the Catholic church?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 05:43PM

Re: But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Roxana November 21, 2005 05:28PM

Re: better than that

ROxana November 21, 2005 05:13PM

Re: but it's FICTION

Anthony November 21, 2005 03:19PM

Re: but it's FICTION

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:36AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Chris Catignani November 21, 2005 11:44AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Chris Catignani November 21, 2005 12:10PM

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ROxana November 21, 2005 12:51PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:53PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:57PM

is Brown preventing ANYONE from findout out on their own?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:58PM

Re: is Brown preventing ANYONE from findout out on their own?

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:05PM

depends

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:21PM

one word

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:06PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:45PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 12:51PM

what's the difference?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Re: what's the difference?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:02PM

people are free to believe what they want

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:24PM

Re: people are free to believe what they want

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:58PM

Re: people are free to believe what they want

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:10PM

yes and no

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:54PM

Re: yes and no

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Why mention Shriners?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:57PM

Re: Why mention Shriners?

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:01PM

Re: Why mention Shriners?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:03PM

try to keep the strawmen out and keep to the topic

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:22PM

do you not understand the word "usually"?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:17PM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:01PM

secrecy regarding GROUPS of people (organizations)

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:17PM

Re: secrecy regarding GROUPS of people (organizations)

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:01PM

Re: yes and no

MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 07:11AM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:04AM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:55PM

gee, we KNEW what they were doing

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:04PM

I'm gonna pass completely

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:07PM

Re: I'm gonna pass completely

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:11PM

Re: I'm gonna pass completely

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:20PM

Moderator note

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:34PM

THANKS everyone for participating

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 07:16PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 08:24AM

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darkuser November 22, 2005 09:22AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:38AM

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Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 09:43AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:59AM

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Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 10:19AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:25AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 10:35AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:44AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:37AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 11:44AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:01PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 12:53PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:58PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:08PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:11PM

Moderation note

Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:25PM

Agreed...

Katherine Reece November 22, 2005 01:29PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:08PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:15PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:24PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:07PM

Moderator note

Stephanie November 22, 2005 03:33PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:49AM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 12:57PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:05PM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:10PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 09:43AM

The Dei today

John Wall November 22, 2005 08:44AM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 10:42AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:58AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

John Wall November 22, 2005 12:11PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:18PM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 10:50AM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:39AM

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John Wall November 22, 2005 11:44AM

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Lee November 22, 2005 12:08PM

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Pete Clarke November 23, 2005 03:59AM

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Lee November 23, 2005 09:31AM

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Pete Clarke November 23, 2005 09:43AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 09:32AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 12:51PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:55PM

responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:01PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:08PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:12PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:18PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:28PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:02PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:53AM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:13AM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:18AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 22, 2005 12:43PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:57PM

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Simon November 22, 2005 01:19PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:31PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:15PM

eureka!!!

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:56AM

Re: eureka!!!

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:14AM

Re: eureka!!!

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:21AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 03:21PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 04:16PM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 05:31PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 05:53PM

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MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 07:25PM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 08:41AM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 09:09PM

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Pacal November 22, 2005 08:28PM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 09:00AM

So an author can write anything he wants......

darkuser November 23, 2005 09:58AM

Re: So an author can write anything he wants......

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:05AM

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Lee November 23, 2005 10:02AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:11AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:14AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:19AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:27AM



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