November 22, 2005 11:58AM
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> To get back to your original question:
>
> > I'm wondering at what point the average
> skeptic or
> > historian (not scientist) would feel that,
> based
> > on THEIR subjective opinion about the
> validity of
> > said fictional book's "facts" (remember,
> it's
> > fiction), that people are being "duped" and,
> > hence, they feel the need to point this out
> to
> > people who have or my read said book.
>
>
> When, as is most definitely the case with 'Da
> Vinci Code'
> the so-called facts are based on pseudo-historical
> speculation,
***
Can you give me an example of two facts Brown puts forth (unambiguously) that are definitely not true?
> known hoaxes and outright and perhaps deliberate
> falsehoods,
> (see Sandra Miesal article for specifics).
***
Reading the article now. What an embarrassment.
And for him to state that the Church burned five million women as witches shows a willful — and malicious—ignorance of the historical record. The latest figures for deaths during the European witch craze are between 30,000 to 50,000 victims. Not all were executed by the Church, not all were women, and not all were burned. Brown’s claim that educated women, priestesses, and midwives were singled out by witch-hunters is not only false, it betrays his goddess-friendly sources.
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Sounds like someone has a case of "relative morality" gone awry. The minutiae doesn't change the NET affect someone will take away with the fact that even ONE person were burned or tortured by said institution. Sounds like the same arguments used against Fahrenheit 911. So, there weren't MILLIONS but THOUSANDS. The HORROR of this "error" in a fictional book.
And
> most especially
> when present day institutions or individuals are
> defamed by said
> falsehoods to the point where it skates
> dangerously close to hate
> speech.
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Repeat: of all the Catholics in attendance last night at the book discussion, not ONE holds any disdain for the Catholic Church NOR have they stepped away from it BECAUSE of what they read in DVC.
Repeat. Repeat.
Empirically, if we DON'T see a FURTHER reduction in the current downward trend of Catholic Church attendance, we can then safely conclude that DVC had no impact on beliefs or people believing (and caring) that Opus Dei may or may not have whacked someone.
Is Sandra Miesal really William Donohue (Mr. Anti-semite)?
'Fiction' is not a license for libel.
>
> Is that clear enough?
***
That's clear but wholly subjective.
JL
>
>
Shephard of Hermas - 2[79]:2 Now this rock was ancient, and had a gate hewn out of it; but the gate seemed to me to have been hewed out quite recently. And the gate glistened beyond the brightness of the sun, so that I marvelled at the brightness of the gate.
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