Jim Lewandowski
November 21, 2005 06:35PM
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Stephanie Wrote:
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> Jim Lewandowski Wrote:
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> >
> > ***
> > Do you think WWF DOES have a secret (i.e.
> secrecy)
> > agenda? I don't and don't think many do.
>
> Oh, so it's individual opinion that decides
> whether or not an organization has a a secret
> agenda but WWF must not because you and many
> others don't think so.
***
Precisely. If someone wants to think Opus Dei is a secret organization, that's their prerogative. If someone wants to think Hitler was absolutely benign, they are allowed to do so (save for Germany's recent exception).
What if they did? How much
> do we really know? Using this kind of reasoning
> means that we could declare anyone and any group
> as having a secret agenda.
***
The reasoning not need be consistent. IOW, not all organizations are created equally. Some have certain disclosure rules, others have NO evidence they've done a certain thing (misdeed or otherwise).
>
> > ***
> > If I were to ask the Red Cross how much they
> spent
> > on the Katrina disaster, do you think they'd
> be
> > forthcoming?
>
> It depends on how much you asked. As a charitable
> entity, which accepts donations, they are probably
> required to offer that kind of information if it
> is requested...
***
Precisely. Would you rather to donate Red Cross org. #1 which DOES have to disclose where they spend their $ or Red Cross org. #2 which does NOT. Simple, isn't it.
>
> >
> >
> > Just
> > > because we don't know everything about
> an
> > > organization does not make them a
> secret
> > society.
> >
> > ***
> > I think that's stating the obvious.
>
> Glad you agree with that. Just because Opus Dei
> seems secretive does not mean that they actually
> are.
***
Correct.
>
> > ***
> > Then Opus Dei should be lining up to sue
> Brown.
> > Brown's defense lawyer will simply say "it's
> a
> > work of fiction and says so ON THE COVER".
> Next.
>
> Nope, no next. Not every single battle is fought
> in a court room.
***
Public opinion is FAR more valuable IMHO on where things lay.
If anything, most battles of a
> very public nature like this are engaged on a much
> more publicized battleground--the media. Have you
> run a search on the net for news related articles
> using the keywords "brown" and "opus dei"?
***
Nope. It's a moot issue because I don't care about Opus Dei or whether Brown's book is factual or fictional or which facts are true and which one's are passed off as being true. I AM interested in OTHER people's take on those issues, though.
I'm off to my DaVinci Code readers group soon and I have a bunch of questions to ask the group to get a layman's (i.e. non-historian as members here generally are) view of this. There's a method to my madness.
JL
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> Stephanie
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Roxana |
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JimLewandowski |
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Simon |
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JimLewandowski |
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Roxana |
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JimLewandowski |
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Stephanie |
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JimLewandowski |
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MJ Thomas |
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JimLewandowski |
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Roxana Cooper |
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JimLewandowski |
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JimLewandowski |
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Lee |
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JimLewandowski |
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Warwick L Nixon |
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Warwick L Nixon |
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