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Jim Lewandowski
November 21, 2005 06:50PM
Stephanie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jim Lewandowski Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > ***
> > Precisely. If someone wants to think Opus
> Dei is
> > a secret organization, that's their
> prerogative.
> > If someone wants to think Hitler was
> absolutely
> > benign, they are allowed to do so (save for
> > Germany's recent exception).
>
> Correct. However, we're talking about publicized
> word. Big difference.
>
> >
> > ***
> > The reasoning not need be consistent. IOW,
> not
> > all organizations are created equally. Some
> have
> > certain disclosure rules, others have NO
> evidence
> > they've done a certain thing (misdeed or
> > otherwise).
>
> If an organization has disclosure rules, then
> there is something shady to them? My husband had
> to sign non-disclosures for his work. Does that
> mean the company he works for is shady or perhaps
> they are simply protecting their interests?

***
No strawman. Start your own thread.


>
> >
> > ***
> > Precisely. Would you rather to donate Red
> Cross
> > org. #1 which DOES have to disclose where
> they
> > spend their $ or Red Cross org. #2 which does
> NOT.
> > Simple, isn't it.
>
> Red Cross is a charitable organization so they
> should have this information readily available for
> the public. Other organizations do not fall under
> that category and therefore, do not have to report
> anything that isn't any of our business anyways.

***
I never said that. I asked which YOU would donate to (i.e. vote with your feet or $).


>
> >
> > ***
> > Public opinion is FAR more valuable IMHO on
> where
> > things lay.
>
> Exactly. That's why there is so much publicity
> about all of it. One of the heads of Opus Dei
> even has been involved with the Da Vinci Code
> movie to help improve the way it is depicted. This
> is alot better, imo, then running to a courtroom.
>
> >
> > ***
> > Nope. It's a moot issue because I don't
> care
> > about Opus Dei or whether Brown's book is
> factual
> > or fictional or which facts are true and
> which
> > one's are passed off as being true. I AM
> > interested in OTHER people's take on those
> issues,
> > though.
>
> I guess to understand why people have their takes
> on the DVC issue, you probably should. If you
> don't look to see what has happened in response to
> the book, then you cannot possibly understand why
> people are perturbed at Brown.

***
I've been aware of the whole thing since the book became a bestseller. Fundies don't like it for obvious reasons. The Opus Dei guy I talked to was upset about DVC portraying things as facts when they weren't. Again, it's a FICTIONAL book so I'm lost on the logic.



>
> >
> > I'm off to my DaVinci Code readers group soon
> and
> > I have a bunch of questions to ask the group
> to
> > get a layman's (i.e. non-historian as members
> here
> > generally are) view of this. There's a
> method to
> > my madness.
>
> I don't see myself as a historian so count my
> opinion as a layman's. Just a note though,
> Jim...you're secret agenda is showing.

***
What's my secret agenda?

JL


>
> Stephanie
>
>
>
>
> Moderator
> The Hall of Ma'at
>
>
> In every man there is something wherein I may
> learn of him, and in that I am his pupil.--Ralph
> Waldo Emerson

***
P.S. Above quote was in a recent episode of All in the Family.

JL


Subject Author Posted

fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 10:52AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Anthony November 21, 2005 11:06AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 11:20AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Anthony November 21, 2005 11:32AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

msteurbaut November 21, 2005 12:58PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:43PM

Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:51PM

Re: Wait a minute

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:26PM

Re: Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:37PM

Re: Wait a minute

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 07:03PM

Re: Wait a minute

darkuser November 22, 2005 07:37AM

Re: Wait a minute

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:11AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephen Tonkin November 21, 2005 11:24AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 11:33AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Anthony November 21, 2005 11:42AM

please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:01PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Simon November 21, 2005 12:37PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:52PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:14PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Anthony November 21, 2005 03:15PM

Re: please be more voluminous with info. in your response

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:28PM

umm

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:48PM

Re: umm

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:54PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

darkuser November 22, 2005 07:46AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:50PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Katherine Reece November 21, 2005 11:38AM

stupid is as stupid does

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:03PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Simon November 21, 2005 12:43PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 12:46PM

but you can't force anyone to think like you do

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:55PM

Re: but you can't force anyone to think like you do

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:00PM

let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:23PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:57PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:08PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:08PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:28PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:19PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:21PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

ROxana November 21, 2005 05:23PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:27PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:01PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:07PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:20PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:31PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 06:50PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 07:02PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 07:14PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 05:34PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:43PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 06:18PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:28PM

Truth is important, fiction is fine when it acknowledges the fiction.

Simon November 21, 2005 07:29PM

Re: Truth is important, fiction is fine when it acknowledges the fiction.

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:34AM

just a note....

darkuser November 22, 2005 08:06AM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:24PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 03:57PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 03:59PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Roxana November 21, 2005 05:16PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Stephanie November 21, 2005 05:27PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

Simon November 21, 2005 05:04PM

Re: let's say that these "new agers" actually believe

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:07AM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

MJ Thomas November 21, 2005 03:55PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:01PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:29PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:40PM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 06:57AM

Re: stupid is as stupid does

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:49PM

but it's FICTION

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Re: but it's FICTION

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:03PM

IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:15PM

Re: IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:00PM

Re: IF the Vatican opened their complete documents

Roxana November 21, 2005 03:21PM

better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 03:54PM

Re: better than that

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 03:58PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:02PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:25PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 04:48PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:58PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 05:25PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:37PM

Re: better than that

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:04PM

NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:10PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:23PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:35PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:45PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 06:50PM

Re: NO strawmen needed.

Stephanie November 21, 2005 07:10PM

Re: better than that

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 04:22PM

Re: better than that

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 04:36PM

But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:01PM

Re: But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 05:04PM

do you deny the past misdeeds of the Catholic church?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 05:30PM

No

Simon November 21, 2005 05:42PM

Re: do you deny the past misdeeds of the Catholic church?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 05:43PM

Re: But the LARGEST group of any kind in the world

Roxana November 21, 2005 05:28PM

Re: better than that

ROxana November 21, 2005 05:13PM

Re: but it's FICTION

Anthony November 21, 2005 03:19PM

Re: but it's FICTION

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:36AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Chris Catignani November 21, 2005 11:44AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Chris Catignani November 21, 2005 12:10PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

ROxana November 21, 2005 12:51PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:53PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:57PM

is Brown preventing ANYONE from findout out on their own?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:58PM

Re: is Brown preventing ANYONE from findout out on their own?

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:05PM

depends

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:21PM

one word

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:06PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:45PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 12:51PM

what's the difference?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Re: what's the difference?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:02PM

people are free to believe what they want

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:24PM

Re: people are free to believe what they want

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:58PM

Re: people are free to believe what they want

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:10PM

yes and no

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:54PM

Re: yes and no

Roxana November 21, 2005 12:56PM

Why mention Shriners?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 12:57PM

Re: Why mention Shriners?

Roxana November 21, 2005 01:01PM

Re: Why mention Shriners?

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:03PM

try to keep the strawmen out and keep to the topic

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:22PM

do you not understand the word "usually"?

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:17PM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:01PM

secrecy regarding GROUPS of people (organizations)

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 01:17PM

Re: secrecy regarding GROUPS of people (organizations)

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:01PM

Re: yes and no

MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 07:11AM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:04AM

Re: yes and no

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 01:55PM

gee, we KNEW what they were doing

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:04PM

I'm gonna pass completely

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:07PM

Re: I'm gonna pass completely

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 02:11PM

Re: I'm gonna pass completely

Warwick L Nixon November 21, 2005 02:20PM

Moderator note

Stephanie November 21, 2005 06:34PM

THANKS everyone for participating

Jim Lewandowski November 21, 2005 07:16PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 08:24AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

darkuser November 22, 2005 09:22AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:38AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 09:43AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 09:59AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 10:19AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:25AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 10:35AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 10:44AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:37AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 11:44AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:01PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 12:53PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:58PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:08PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:11PM

Moderation note

Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:25PM

Agreed...

Katherine Reece November 22, 2005 01:29PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:08PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:15PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:24PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:07PM

Moderator note

Stephanie November 22, 2005 03:33PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:49AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephanie November 22, 2005 12:57PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:05PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Stephanie November 22, 2005 01:10PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Pete Clarke November 22, 2005 09:43AM

The Dei today

John Wall November 22, 2005 08:44AM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 10:42AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:58AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

John Wall November 22, 2005 12:11PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:18PM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 10:50AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 11:39AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

John Wall November 22, 2005 11:44AM

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Lee November 22, 2005 12:08PM

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Pete Clarke November 23, 2005 03:59AM

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Lee November 23, 2005 09:31AM

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Pete Clarke November 23, 2005 09:43AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 09:32AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 12:51PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:55PM

responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:01PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:08PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:12PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 01:18PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:28PM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:02PM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:53AM

Re: responsibility

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:13AM

Re: responsibility

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:18AM

Re: fiction vs. non-fiction - DaVinci Code, historical "facts"

Roxana November 22, 2005 12:43PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 12:57PM

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Simon November 22, 2005 01:19PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 22, 2005 01:31PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 03:15PM

eureka!!!

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 09:56AM

Re: eureka!!!

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:14AM

Re: eureka!!!

Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:21AM

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Roxana November 22, 2005 03:21PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 04:16PM

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Stephanie November 22, 2005 05:31PM

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JimLewandowski November 22, 2005 05:53PM

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MJ Thomas November 22, 2005 07:25PM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 08:41AM

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Roxana Cooper November 22, 2005 09:09PM

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Pacal November 22, 2005 08:28PM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 09:00AM

So an author can write anything he wants......

darkuser November 23, 2005 09:58AM

Re: So an author can write anything he wants......

JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:05AM

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Lee November 23, 2005 10:02AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:11AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:14AM

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JimLewandowski November 23, 2005 10:19AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 23, 2005 10:27AM



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