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Lee,
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> The whole discussion of Osiris at Giza began here
> . The discussion of Bolshakov's article (and
> rejoinders) came later in the same, rather
> extensive, thread.
Thanks for this. I went through the whole thing again, and came up with the following summary. I must start off by emphasising that my understanding of the subject is necessarily clouded by a complete lack of knowledge, not only of the era in question, but also of many of the technical aspects. Perhaps, therefore, contributors to the original discussion could kindly correct any mistakes in my summary.
At any rate, E & O E, this is my understanding of
Osiris at Giza :
The discussion, which centred on the question of the dating of the first attestation of Osiris, was complex and complicated. What, for instance, is to be understood by the term “Osiris”? If an early reference is made to powers, or characteristics, or attributes, or important elements of a name, that were associated solely with Osiris in later times, does that constitute an early reference to the deity Osiris: or does it not?
Next, given the fact that dating forms such a significant part of this discussion, there is the question of how any dating is to be expressed: is Manetho’s system of organising AE history into dynasties still relevant, or should it be substituted by some other system, perhaps the years-BC or BP system?
On the specific question of dating an alleged earliest appearance of a reference to Osiris, what criteria are to be applied, and what is their validity and relevance? It was argued that an isolated instance of such an appearance is to be found in the tomb of Princess Hemet-Ra. Was this princess a sister of Menkaure, and daughter of Khufu? Is she therefore to be dated to some time in the 4th or 5th Dynasties (if the dynastic system is to be applied)? Is it safe to accept that various stylistic elements in her tomb indicate a later 5th Dynasty date; and is this then also a date for the earliest appearance of Osiris? But, if those stylistic elements also appeared in earlier times, could the tomb (and thus the reference to Osiris) be earlier? It was argued that, in fact, the placement of her tomb should form a more important secure dating criterion than stylistic elements.
Disappointingly, no definite conclusion seemed possible on any of these questions ...
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