September 07, 2007 07:41AM
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Hi Ritva,
Thanks to Jeff, courtesy of Su Bayfield, we now have the official 'restoration' in the Turin Museum. According to the museum, the fragments show the "divine Ennead of Heliopolis" with its nine deities, only two of which have been preserved - Seth and Geb.
The fragment (no. 3) with Seth is way behind Geb (no. 6), and between these is fragment no. 5, and to the right of this fragment is a space where Sethe believed Shu might have been.
But if this followed the usual order of the nine deities, Osiris would be behind Geb, and to the right of fragment no. 5 would have been Isis, not Shu.
If Sethe had found other fragments with the name of Shu that belonged to the right side of frag. 5, then surely, in the Turin Museum's 'official' blurb, Shu would be mentioned, but he is not. Also, Sethe's 'restoration' can been seen in Urkunden I:154, where he drew the bottom part of a leg (actually too much of the leg, as only the front part of what may be a foot has been preserved) of what may be part of Geb's name, and for Shu, Sethe has nothing - he drew the name of Shu, but the hatch lines over the name, show the whole area is missing so its only an assumption on his part - probably he assumed this was the 'Big / Great Ennead of Iunu' as does the Turin Museum, but unfortunately too little evidence has survived for that assumption to be credible.
What is scary, is that Egyptologists simply say that the name of Shu was 'restored' and cite Smith, who cited Sethe, who based his 'restoration' on an assumption that looks more like wishful thinking than any real evidence.
This means we really need to check all important references, even though they are from experienced Egyptologists, but often this can be very difficult at least for me, with so little resources available here in Jyväskylä where Assyria rules.
However, each of us in a group like here on Maat, can by working together, contribute little bits of the puzzle, and as in this case, we managed to find out what the real evidence was behind the statements we all relied on.
CT
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