Hi Anthony,
Chris wrote:
Quote:If the fragments are from Netjerikhet's Dyn
> 3 shrine at Iunu, which they probably are, as
> elements of Netjerikhet's Horus name, Hrw nTr(j)
> X.t, are on at least two of the fragments
> discovered at Iunu, and if the fragments show part
> of the line up of the deities of the 'Big Ennead'
> of Iunu, this means the kings may have already in
> Dyn 3, been identified with Osiris in death.
You answered:
>
> I don't see the logical connection between a group
> of gods being honored and that group of gods
> including a god that isn't attested for centuries
> after Djoser. Did you mean to type "Geb" or
> "Shu", and mistakingly typed "Osiris"?
Osiris is part of the Great Ennead of Iunu, isn't he? The living king was identified with Geb, not the deceased one.
There's no
> logical reason to shove Osiris into the line up
> just because he appears in that line up centuries
> later. The ennead is a fictitious, mythical
> creation, and as such, could be changed at the
> whim of a single king. In fact, it is far more
> likely that Khentiamentu was included in the
> ennead... not Osiris.
You should know that the Great Ennead of Iunu remained the same throughout the dynatsic times, and no "whims of the king" could change that. Had Khentiamentiu been included in that Ennead, then we would know about it in the PTs, where he is present, wouldn't we. But no, he is not included in it, is he? Because with Khentiamentiu present, the PTs still tell us that the Great Ennead of Iunu is: Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Osiris, Horus, Seth, Isis and Nephthys.
Why aren't you protesting about Isis turning up in the Ennead, after all, she makes her first written appearance in the Pts also, hmmm?
>
> You then state this:
>
Quote:Although there is much evidence for Iunu
> from as far back as Dyn 3
>
>
> I am unaware of "much evidence for Iunu" dating to
> Dynasty III. In fact, Quirke is quite explicit
> that there is little or no evidence of Iunu until
> Dynasty V.
I agree. So much wor the great cult of Ra before the 5th dyansty!
The only "hard" evidence is the shrine
> of Djoser that you discuss in your article... but
> that could have been moved to Iunu at a later
> date.
On the other hand, why would they move it? I don't find this very plausible, actually.
Ritva