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January 31, 2023, 2:10 pm UTC    
September 22, 2022 10:18AM
Byrd Wrote:
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> I'm going to be pedantic here. Yes, you CAN
> translate computer code into English. We
> programmers do it all the time and translate
> accurately English-to-Code and Code-to-English
> (otherwise computers wouldn't work.) That's quite
> literally what we do for a living.
>
> Same with mathematics. YOU might not be able to
> understand it or translate those into English, but
> we can.
>
> Likewise the type of birdsong can be categorized
> fairly easily... which you'd know if you were a
> birder.

English is a wonderfully expressive language and there is nothing that can't be said in it. Every time someone comes up with a thought that can't be expressed in English they will invent the words necessary despite the fact that since we think in words "new" thoughts are not fully even possible. There is nothing new under the sun but English still continues to grow, thinking changes, and new vocabulary arises.

Obviously the eight words that comprise programming language and which breaks Zipf's Law when used in programming can always be "translated" into English but a computer can hardly use this English to run a program. When "translated" into English every word and sentence will have to be parsed to be understood and they will obey Zipf's Law.

It's very much the same way with math. Yes, you can claim that 2 + 2 = 4 is exactly the same thing as two plus two equals four but this "translation" isn't the same thing. There are strict rules and definitions in math for the meaning of every one of the terms but English has no such rules. Indeed the English can be deconstructed in all manner of ways especially if the statement is spoken rather than written. "Four" and its homonyms have thousands of meanings as do "equal", "plus", and "two".

We are simply spoiled by English. In almost every instance we each take a meaning from everything we read and hear. We simply don't notice that we each take a different meaning so it's difficult to understand that any language can exist that isn't parseable. It's hard to imagine a language that is representative, metaphysical, digital, and never obeys Zipf's Law, but this is exactly what I believe we are dealing with in this specific instance.

In many way computer code and math have all these properties but rather than having unlimited application they mostly have a single application. Math applies to a single equation or process and computer code runs a single program. Bird songs would be "unlimited" but the knowledge of individual birds is so extremely limited there would be very little for them to say about the inside of a small box. Their only applicable knowledge would probably be that their movements are highly restricted and there is air inside the box (and a very dead cat).

Math and code also contain their limited metaphysics in their "grammar' and fixed definitions for each word. Both are effectively digital. THIS is like Ancient Language if I am correct. Young's work would not have led to the processes that have been used to decipher, interpret, and translate any ancient writing. I believe his process would have made the change in language very apparent. Champollion's work simply seeks word meanings based on known language. It ignores parsing and the fluidity of modern languages. But, again, it's unlikely Champollion had any AL available to parse so he can't be blamed for the errors of later scholars.

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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2022 10:29AM by cladking.
Subject Author Posted

Happy 200th Hieroglyphs Deciphering Anniversary Day, Champollion!

Hermione September 14, 2022 02:48AM

Re: Happy 200th Hieroglyphs Deciphering Day, Champollion!

engbren September 17, 2022 06:49AM

Thanks (n/t)

Hermione September 17, 2022 07:45AM

Thanks

cladking September 17, 2022 01:04PM

Re: Thanks

Hans_lune September 20, 2022 01:13AM

Re: Thanks

Hermione September 20, 2022 05:21AM

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Hans_lune September 20, 2022 10:13AM

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Hermione September 20, 2022 10:27AM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 20, 2022 01:40PM

Re: Thanks

Hans_lune September 20, 2022 04:25PM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 21, 2022 09:28AM

Re: Thanks

Hans_lune September 21, 2022 11:03AM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 21, 2022 12:50PM

Young and Champollion

Hermione September 21, 2022 04:02PM

Very interesting, thanks (n/t)

cladking September 22, 2022 10:20AM

You cannot translate or 'interpret' a language you cannot read

Hans_lune September 21, 2022 05:08PM

Re: Thanks

Byrd September 21, 2022 04:51PM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 22, 2022 10:18AM

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Byrd September 22, 2022 12:04PM

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Hans_lune September 22, 2022 12:15PM

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cladking September 22, 2022 02:13PM

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Hermione September 22, 2022 02:38PM

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cladking September 22, 2022 03:12PM

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Hermione September 22, 2022 05:05PM

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Hans_lune September 22, 2022 06:15PM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 23, 2022 08:57AM

Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

Hermione September 23, 2022 10:05AM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

Hans_lune September 23, 2022 11:56AM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

Hermione September 23, 2022 02:32PM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

cladking September 23, 2022 07:08PM

A full translation of the PT into AL?

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 04:38PM

Re: A full translation of the PT into AL?

cladking September 24, 2022 04:58PM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

cladking September 23, 2022 11:58AM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

Hermione September 23, 2022 02:23PM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyphic characters

cladking September 23, 2022 04:50PM

Really?

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 04:41PM

Re: Really?

cladking September 24, 2022 05:12PM

Re: Really?

cladking September 24, 2022 05:20PM

We don't believe a word you are saying, your opinions are not facts

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 05:27PM

Re: We don't believe a word you are saying, your opinions are not facts

cladking September 24, 2022 05:46PM

Re: We don't believe a word you are saying, your opinions are not facts

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 05:55PM

Nonsense

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 05:28PM

Rejected for lack of evidence

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 05:29PM

Re: Examples of hieroglyphs/hieroglyph ic characters

Hermione September 25, 2022 04:18AM

Re: Thanks

Hans_lune September 22, 2022 06:13PM

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Byrd September 23, 2022 11:09PM

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cladking September 24, 2022 08:57AM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 24, 2022 09:11AM

They did not think at all and had no word for "think" or any abstraction.

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 04:43PM

Ancient lanaguage is debunked

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 04:31PM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 22, 2022 02:28PM

no matter how much you spew nonsense - it still remains nonsense

Hans_lune September 22, 2022 03:04PM

(To Byrd) Hear, hear! (n/t)

Hermione September 22, 2022 02:30PM

Re: (To Byrd) Hear, hear! (n/t)

Hans_lune September 22, 2022 03:05PM

Re: Thanks

cladking September 22, 2022 10:40AM

More on Ancient Languages ...

Hermione September 22, 2022 04:58PM

Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 05:31PM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Hans_lune September 24, 2022 06:12PM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Hermione September 25, 2022 04:40AM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

cladking September 28, 2022 08:45AM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Hermione September 28, 2022 09:12AM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Hans_lune September 28, 2022 11:20AM

Cladking remains debunked - ancient language doesn't exist

Hans_lune September 28, 2022 11:32AM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Byrd September 28, 2022 07:59PM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

Hans_lune September 28, 2022 08:35PM

Re: Early next week we will restart the Shu experiments

cladking October 01, 2022 09:14AM

Shu experiment shows you are wrong

Hans_lune October 01, 2022 11:01AM

Ancient (Goofy) Language debunked

Hans_lune September 27, 2022 10:54PM

Best evidence of geysers

Hans_lune September 29, 2022 11:56PM



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