August 20, 2007 11:18AM
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If I could step in here for a moment. I agree with both sides, so here's my two cents worth. A) The Pictures were political-As we all know religion and politics were inextricably linked. Every ruler traced his/her right to rule back to the gods. Hatshepsut was magically conceived by the gods. On the other hand Horemhab knew he couldn't get away with that and instead in his ascension stela he intimated that the gods were "hiding","Protecting", "saving" him whatever until the right moment until he could take the throne. Of course this only hid the political truth that he was being outmaneuvered behind the scenes. Ay legitimized his ascension by conducting Tut's funeral and had it painted in Tut's tomb, undoubtedly everybody who attended the funeral knew that this was Ay's bloodless coup de tat. Therefore in the Seti temple we see virtually every political device being used except a "Vote for Seti for Osiris" bumper sticker on his chariot.
The texts are spiritual-From what I can see we all know that everything in every mortuary temple, every tomb, every verse of the BOD and the PT's that once you were dead EVERYTHING was designed to get the dead from this world to the other side. No detail was to small, no amulet was to insignificant. BOD's abound, coffin texts rise and fall. Clearly everything in this mortuary temple must be for Seti's empowerment on the other side. There is no political message at all.
So what is my opinion? I think that it was a blend of the two. For whatever reason Seti felt an enormous need to establish his political priorities in his mortuary temple. He was clearly a super-politician so it isn't surprising that there is a political theme to the temple. However it was a mortuary temple and he was preparing the way for his entrance into the next world. So is it possible that he unconsciously/consciously blended the spriritual and the political so seamlessly that we don't really no what his intentions were? Is it possible that even he didn't know?
Just a few thoughts.
Rick
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