August 14, 2007 09:51PM
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Sorry Bernard, but you seem to be practicing ethnocentrism.
Either you want everyone to be South American or you want to understand the various ways shamanistic traits manifests themselves in African belief.
I am just pointing out to you that these patterns are there, but I am not going to do all the research for you. If you look for it I am sure you can find that many African cultures have concepts similar to the various forms of "souls" like the Egyptian ka, ba, shadow and other forms. Now if you only believe that shamanism exists if it is practiced like people in South America, then obviously it is a waste of time to discuss this further. Santoria, Vodun and other shamanistic religions originated in Africa and were practiced among various African societies. The problem here is that most of these societies have initiations and those traditions and spiritual details are only revealed to those who are members of these societies. "Medicine men" and "medicine women" all have years of training they go through to learn their craft. This is not something that they just tell everyone about and Europeans certainly wouldn't get a full understanding just taking a day trip to Africa. Meaning that much of this detailed sort of information may not be on the net and older scholarly research may not have the depth and scope to address such questions.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2007 09:57PM by Doug M.
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