August 17, 2007 06:28AM
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Hi Katherine,
Greg wrote:
> I do not understand your distinction between magic
> wands and Thoth using these wands to transfer
> divine power to the deceased king.
You answered:
For one, Thoth isn't 'using wands' - the staffs symbolically represent the Two Lands in a political way - the northern lands by the papyrus and red-crowned cobra, and the lotus staff with White crown cobra, the southern lands of Egypt. Hence my comment about Thoth as a 'divine vizier' conveying the symbols of the Two Lands to the deceased king as he rules from the afterlife.
While I agree about the word "using" being incorrect in this context, I still have to agree with Greg. Thoth was the great magician par exellence! I'd read this scene more as Thoth symbolically offering the use of magic to the deceased king. Because lt's face it, the deceased king does not rule anymore, not on the level of kings and viziers, but on a spiritual one.
I see this scene as identic to the one alluded to in the CT spell 313, where the new Horus receives his regalia to rule the kingdom on earth and the deceased Osiris is given his regalia by Thoth. Two different rules, two different regalia.
Ritva
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