December 29, 2007 06:04PM
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Ritva Kurittu Wrote:
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> But the texts are rather clear on this, caldking!
> The deceased king joined the crew of Ra (see the
> PTs, the CTs and the BoD) in his boat and hence
> helped the sun go through it's daily journey (with
> all and everything that idea includes!!).
> Certainly that can be counted for a divine task
> for a newborn god, eh? You can find a very moving
> prayer about this in Horemheb's Saqqara tomb.
Is this an actual reference to a specific king? Don't go to a lot of trouble looking it up but I'd be most interested in the approximate date of this tomb and which specific king is involved.
> No, I am not claiming the Souls of Nekhen and Pe
> were a separate Ennead, since they were way too
> numerous for that, seen that they consisted of all
> the deceased Horus-kings of the past. And their
> task was more anonymous than the tasks of those
> divinities in the Enneads, having their functions
> specified more clearly, even if foremost to
> describe (IMO) their relation to each other.
> The reason for the Souls of Nekhen and Pe being
> "anonymous" i.e. no specific kings mentioned may
> be due to the fact, that the Egyptians saw the
> time as being cyclical: a new time started with
> each ascending king, who was the biggest,
> strongest and most beautiful so far. How would it
> have sounded in the kingly propaganda to be all of
> those things and yet name past kings who were big
> enough to tow the sun's boat and make it rise each
> morning, eh? And yet, the new king owed his right
> to rule to these Horuses, being the next in line.
> Frankfort's "Kingship and the Gods" is a good
> place to start.
OK, I understand this line of thought and will consider it.
> Can you show evidence that points to some becoming
> active gods (what is an active god and what, then
> is a passive god?) and some falling into
> oblivion?
Unfortunately not. I suspect Khufu might have become Set but there just isn't enough information about the kings to get a handle on this. Several of the Gods would be identifiable if there were a king to link them to. Many of the gods pre-dated the kings but some might have been individuals as well. I strongly suspect that the ennead on Earth was much different and with a different function than the ennead in heaven.
> The name you wrote comes up scrambled on my
> screen. Can you repeat more clearly, please.
This shows up as ndsds with an (') over the S's on IE6. Unfortunately the half wits at microsoft have scrambled all of this with IE7. It appears in utt #67 as "ndsds w's-water" on the 1952 translation. I believe this is literally "communicate(d) "adjusted"- water". The only other usage has two enneads ndsds'ing. I suspect the w's is the same as the wAs sceptor which I believe was used to make adjustments to the djed.
At this point it's still all speculation but it does make the PT understandable.
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