December 20, 2007 07:54AM
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MJ Thomas Wrote:
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> I suggest that there were at least three main
> reasons for Khufu selecting the site that he did
> for his pyramid.
> 1. The pre-existence of the ‘Grotto’ and the
> fissures in the bedrock below it (converted into a
> ventilation shaft for the workers excavating the
> Subterranean Chamber)
The Grotto was completely insignificant to the planning of the structure. In fact, it may have been hit by accident while digging the escape shaft from the Grand Gallery.
> 2. The large outcrop of rock that reduced the
> volume of blocks required (I have yet to do the
> maths on this to get a guesstimate of the volume
> saved).
"Large outcrops of rock" potentially have deep significance in Egyptian cosmology. They represent the Primeval Mound. As such, the fact that it would make work easier becomes very secondary.
> 3. Khufu was not expecting anybody – least of all
> a family member? – to build a pyramid “in the
> shadow of his own” (so to speak), and thus allowed
> practical considerations to over-ride any desire
> to build on higher but less easily adapted and
> developed ground.
Not so much as Khufu would never have put his burial edifice "in conjunction" with somebody else's, simply because he would have no foreknowledge of what kind of person that later king would be. His entrance to the Duat was contingent upon his choices in this world. Choosing to align your tomb with that of a despot would have been a bad choice indeed. Since he would not have been able to tell whether Khafre or Menkaure were going to be good people, he could not afford to take the chance with his immortal spirit.
>
> I see Khufu’s son and immediate successor,
> Djedfre, locating his pyramid at Abu Roash, some 5
> miles from Giza, as supporting my contention that
> his father was not expecting anybody to build a
> pyramid close to his.
I prefer the more pragmatic approach: the site was too cluttered following his father's massive project. He had to move away. Same thing with Nebka, between Khafre and Menkaure.
>
> But what about Khafre and Menkaure opting for
> Giza?
> Well, I suspect that ego, jealousy, family
> politics and some kind of power struggle come into
> play here.
Those have all been laid aside recently, since there's no evidence to support them.
> I seriously doubt that Khafre and Menkaure were
> following a grand geometry-based scheme created
> before Khufu started building his pyramid.
And that is where our two roads cross.
>
> All of which, in my somewhat amateur opinion,
> tends to undermine the hypothesis of a
> pan-generational scheme at Giza.
It's not just an amateur's opinion. It's anybody who has taken the time to really understand Egyptian Dynastic culture.
Anthony
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.
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