December 20, 2007 11:11AM
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Hello Dave,
You write, 'A geometric layout does not require pre-planning.
So whether or not it was pre-planned has no bearing on the evolving positioning of the pyramids as the site developed.
To claim otherwise is a logical fallacy known as a non-sequitur.
Architectural and topographical considerations were both factors in the positioning of the site structures.
If you are specifically trying to attack Bauval's proposal then that's another thing entirely.'
My current thinking is, very broadly:
There was no pre-Khufu plan for what was to become the Giza necropolis (neither wholly nor in part).
Khufu chose the rock outcrop at Giza (for whatever reason) as the ideal site for his pyramid – no geometry was involved in this siting other than in the laying out of its square base.
Following Khufu’s demise his son and immediate successor, Djedfre, carried out a few finishing touches to his father’s pyramid (boat pits, etc.) and (for reasons unknown) chose Abu Roash as the site for his own pyramid.
Skipping the question of whether or not Khafre was Djedfre’s immediate successor; Khafre decided (for whatever reason) to have his pyramid sited next to his father’s at Giza.
I suggest that at this point the Egyptians started using geometry to precisely determine where another structure would stand on the plateau, relative to Khufu’s pyramid.
So, though Khafre’s pyramid was, IMO, located where it is predominately for reasons personal to Khafre, its precise position was determined by arithmetic and linear geometry linking it, so to speak, with Khufu’s pyramid.
Eventually, Menkaure comes along and sites his pyramid close to Khafre’s and, following Khafre’s example, uses arithmetic and geometry to in part site it relative to Khufu’s pyramid.
I believe it has been suggested that the similarity between the layout of the three main Giza pyramids and Orion’s Belt (?) might be the result of Menkaure seeing that by locating his pyramid where it is he could emulate the pattern of the three Orion stars.
It’s an idea I am happy to go along with – which brings me to your comment:
“If you are specifically trying to attack Bauval's proposal then that's another thing entirely.”
Er, if I’m attacking anybody here, Dave, it certainly isn’t intentional.
I think there is a direct connection between the layout of the three Giza pyramids and Orion, but, as I’ve mentioned above, I am presently thinking that the connection came about through Menkaure.
Somewhen I will work my through the distances, etc., between the three pyramids and see if I can pick up a likely artificial pattern.
As I mentioned in a recent post to Chris (Tedder), 22rc and 44rc (products of Khufu’s pyramid) appear in a diagonal line running between G1 and G3.
Regards,
MJ
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