December 29, 2007 12:56PM
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Hi cladking,
> I don't believe Narmer was Khnum. This was merely
> provided
> as an example of the type of thing I'm looking
> for. Lacking
> this I'd love to see something, anything, Narmer
> did, said,
> or caused after his death... ...even a mention
> that he was
> still dead or alive would be of great interest.
But the texts are rather clear on this, caldking! The deceased king joined the crew of Ra (see the PTs, the CTs and the BoD) in his boat and hence helped the sun go through it's daily journey (with all and everything that idea includes!!). Certainly that can be counted for a divine task for a newborn god, eh? You can find a very moving prayer about this in Horemheb's Saqqara tomb.
> Are you claim-
> ing the the "souls of Pe" were effectively another
> ennead?
> Were they in communication (apparently
> "ndśdś") with the ot-
> her enneads? It doesn't even have to be Narmer...
> ...any king
> whatsoever; individually, not as part of a troop
> or unnamed
> in an ennead.
No, I am not claiming the Souls of Nekhen and Pe were a separate Ennead, since they were way too numerous for that, seen that they consisted of all the deceased Horus-kings of the past. And their task was more anonymous than the tasks of those divinities in the Enneads, having their functions specified more clearly, even if foremost to describe (IMO) their relation to each other.
The reason for the Souls of Nekhen and Pe being "anonymous" i.e. no specific kings mentioned may be due to the fact, that the Egyptians saw the time as being cyclical: a new time started with each ascending king, who was the biggest, strongest and most beautiful so far. How would it have sounded in the kingly propaganda to be all of those things and yet name past kings who were big enough to tow the sun's boat and make it rise each morning, eh? And yet, the new king owed his right to rule to these Horuses, being the next in line.
Frankfort's "Kingship and the Gods" is a good place to start.
>
> It's interesting that you say it's a biblical
> slant. Most
> things from the bible seem to have had roots in
> ancient Eg-
> ypt. It wouldn't be very surprising that it would
> appear vag-
> uely biblical.
On that we agree. However, you seemed to use the word "soul" in a Biblical sense... not really the same thing in the AE conception of spiritual ramifications.
>
> No, I believe they were active Gods after their
> death. They
> got new names and these were understood by the
> people in
> many cases. Some of the kings faded in obscurity
> as gods and
> others were more prominent.
Can you show evidence that points to some becoming active gods (what is an active god and what, then is a passive god?) and some falling into oblivion?
The important thing
> though was
> to provide the means by which they ascended to
> heaven. It was
> up to the king to get in and be powerful, not the
> people nor
> the other gods.
Agreed.
>
> By the way, "ndśdś" shows up
> only twice in a search of the PT.
> If it means communication it will surprise a lot
> of people, but
> it is the only word that appears to fit in the
> very different
> usages.
The name you wrote comes up scrambled on my screen. Can you repeat more clearly, please.
Ritva
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