December 14, 2004 11:29AM
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Joanne
You have a funny way of arguing sometimes. You ignore my main points, and bring up one example that you say is a case where you say my point was invalidated (albeit an admittedly good example for your case). Then when I ask "Are you confident that if something like the inquisition happened in Ancient Egypt we would know about it ?" - you ignore that.
I guess I should still adress your points on your chosen ground
Joanne Wrote:
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> Simon Wrote:
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> > No - I'm talking about the deliberate attempt
> to
> > wipe all trace of Amarna from the record -
> > writings, beliefs, statues, art, buildings.
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> It's still the same problem. You're talking about
> a handful of individuals. Most Egyptologists
> think the motive of the Ramesside pharaohs was to
> legitimize themselves as pharaohs, since they were
> commoners originally.
This is not too different from the broad general statement I made that started this part of the conversation.
> Akhenaten was a lone nut,
> who had radical ideas concerning religion. More
> importantly, Egypt suffered politically during his
> reign, and there was a real need to overcome the
> damage that his neglect caused.
>
Ahhh - so radical new ideas that cause upheavals, especially political and spiritual, cause concern to the upholders of the status quo ?
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> Bottom line, there's no analogy with the kind of
> spin-doctoring the Ramessides did in this limited
> instance, and the actions of an institution that
> has followed a consistent policy of deliberate
> cultural genocide for 2000 years.
>
Ah thats just plain ignorant of history. Most of the cultures that become big enough to become considered A culture, start off by dominating and hijacking one or more other cultures. Your big thing here because of your cultural bias in "South American" culture like you can generalise it all into one lump and blame the church. No mention of the concept that maybe the Aztecs did more destruction to the possibly more valuable "knowledge" of the Mayans ?
And what about the culture that the church helped develop and foster - the renaisance, the development of science and art and music ???
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> > Surely the cause is human nature (or the
> darker,
> > fearful, arogant side of) ?
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> The cause IMO is the weltanschauung of this
> institution. It's not (universal) human nature and
> it's not limited just to the actions of some
> people at one time in the church's history (the
> Spanish, as you first claimed).
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> Joanne
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"We see things not as they are, but as we are."
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