December 14, 2004 04:51AM
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Pete Clarke Wrote:
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> That's easy.
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> The Trinity explosion.
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> At a point where the world was rich enough to
> build anything we dreamt of, we got ourselves into
> an arms race and a philosophy of Mutually Assured
> Destruction.
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> Pete
Eh, differences of opinion I guess.
"At that point", we were in the midst of a world war that was beggaring us & ruining infrastructure & eliminating lives at an unheard of rate. And while we won Europe well enough without nukes, it's been calculated that the bomb saved half a million allied military lives.... and far more Japanese civilian ones..... by eliminating the need to mount a conventional invasion. And it probably preserved Japanese society, by giving the Emperor an acceptable excuse to surrender & by minimizing the postwar Allied reshaping of Japan.
We... "and the rest of the world"..... were far richer in the decades AFTER trinity than we were at the time of it.
The arms race also gave us what we've got passing for space travel & all the technological spinoffs that (& the rest of the race) entailed.
And while stupid on the surface, MAD seems to have worked. Aside from the initial strikes on Japan, the score stands at no nuclear wars at 59 years and counting. The Soviet Union finally fell apart, global communism has stopped being a threat.
Hmmm, would you be willing to alter your opinion to say instead that maybe nuclear PROLIFERATION is actually the biggest threat? (sorry, I'll still stick with my alltime #1, the Conquest of the Americas..... since it's caused FAR more damage to date, and since "if" it had been avoided the nuclear threat would be moot via a TOTALLY altered history & no nukes.... at least not by any chain of logic I've ever been able to imagine).
In which case, I blame the damn Rosenbergs! And Stalin, of course. And Roosevelt for knuckling under at Malta, and letting the Soviets get away with assorted treacheries.
Kenuchelover.
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