December 14, 2004 02:21PM
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Joanne Wrote:
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> The evidence is the conquest of the Americas, the
> Inquisition, and the Crusades. The policy is also
> known as evangelism. That is a historically
> attested belief espoused that all unbelievers must
> be converted. Until the last century or two, all
> other religions were seen as false. Those
> religions, and their believers who refused to
> convert were "expendable."
I think your jump from evangelism to cultural genocide is a little too far. The conquering of the Americas did result in cultural (and actual) genocide. But I don't believe that the driving force in the conquering was evangelical. I think it was ordinary greed, lust for power, etc. (and to some extent even accidental through the transmission of disease)
The westward expansion of the US and Canada in North Am was not evangelically inspired. Cortes and his ilk may have dressed themselves in religious cloaks (figuratively) but I don't see their activities as anything other than robbery and thirst for power. Yes, there were terrible religious excesses too, such as the destruction of texts and residential schools. A similar breakdown of the Inquisition and the Crusades would expose similar non-religous motives I believe.
While everything you list is definitely terrible stuff, I don't agree that it can all be ascribed to evangelism and a deliberate policy of genocide.
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> Some of the technical developments, for example
> gun powder, came from other cultures, in this
> case, China. That is good evidence that it was
> not the difference technology itself that "caused"
> the conquest; it was the worldview of the
> conquerors. China had gun powder, but did not use
> it to go out and conquer, subdue, or convert
> others.
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I agree that Europeans did not develop all of the technology but the dynamics of the European civilization did result in a technological advantage (but that's not your point I realize). To your point, I agree that it was not the technology that "caused" the conquest. But it was the technology that made it possible. You suggest it was the worldview of the conquerors that was the cause and I assume you believe that worldview was the result of evangelism. I will agree that evangelism influenced that worldview, but I think power and greed were the more important elements.
Conquering other people's was not something unique in history to christian europeans either. Within the limitations of the technologies of the time, millions have died and many cultures have been destroyed or warped throughout our wonderful human history, and long before the first pope.
Steve D.
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