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If you try it with five steps instead of six I think you'll see it fits very closely with the gravimetric scan.by cladking - Alternative Geometry and Numerology
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > for instance shabtis, These date to later times. The video is about the great pyramids. > To try to conflate the magic used by the AE > with the cynical nonsense, bordering on > criminality in it's attempt to deceive for > monetary gain, vomitted out by "alts" and other > nuby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Show us how you do it Cladking - prove you're not > just making up nonsense? It is obvious that the Pyramid Texts were the basis of the Coffin Texts which were the basis of the "book of the dead". Because of this the PT are translated and interpreted in term of the "book of the dead" despby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What do you mean by this statement ? Magic is pseudoscience. > What do you mean by this statement ? Magic is pseudoscience. > This is an odd statement that also needs > explaining, though I'll ask why you think that > they may have used magic to build pyramids, and > point outby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Between my book on Egyptian magical practice and > the Greek magical papyri, I'm sure I can conjure > up a spell or two to repel and banish. Might need > some red pots first. But I'll have to hope that he > does not start to read the PT as intended as he > might realize which spells I cby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Though how original is the source of the PT you > are using? The Mercer edition which is a > translation of Sethe's German translation of the > origianl hieroglyphs. So you are using a source > that is third hand having past through German and > then English, and not only that, much work haby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder where the fringe think anybody wanting to > learn about Ancient Egypt should go for their > information. Which books should they consult, or > if in education, which courses they should take > and whose lectures should they attend. Because, if > the ludicrous insult of pseudoscience, and aby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What he > and Steven have in common is an intense hatred of > Egyptology and an abysmal understanding of it... That's an April fools joke isn't it. I respect Egyptologists even though I believe they are each individually and collectively wrong about everything from the great pyramid building era.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The speakers didn't know it was "science" and had > no word for "science" since this is another > abstraction and there were no abstractions > whatsoever in Ancient Language. If we could > communicate with them they would call it a > manifestation of "thot" or iby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ... something called 'ancient > science & language' ... It's not necessary to call the "words of the gods" "science". It was neither more nor less "science" than a bee's waggle dance or the language in which termites communicate and invented air conditioned citby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To whom is you original question addressed. I ask > becaue if you understand the intent of the AE > authors of the PT, why ask here in the first > place. One can only be certain of his conclusions when they are founded in belief rather than deduction and experiment. I am not certain I understandby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You have no standing I've been told many times that one needs eight years of school to understand the English translations of the PT. This is the first time I've been told that I don't know enough to ask questions. Until this subthread returns to topic I will not respond further.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > What are expecting to happen? I was expecting opinion on the translation "makes the stone grow". I don't consider most of what you say relevant to this topic.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cladking Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > You believe that the ancient Egyptians might > have > > thought that stone grows! I suppose they also > > believed that stones turned into statues and > flew; > Prove me wrong with direct evidence >by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cladking Wrote: > > lazuli never "grows" and the authors of the PT > > would not have believed it did. > > Of course it doesn't we figured that out using > science and finding where it comes from and how it > was mined. The AE had no idea of any of that - > they had no idby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Utterance 319 > 513: To say the words: > "Unas is the bull of double brilliance in the > midst of his Eye. > Safe is the mouth of Unas through the fiery > breath, > the head of Unas through the horns of the lord of > the South. > Unas leads the god. Unas rules over the Ennead. >by cladking - Ancient Egypt
You're off-topic again. This thread isn't about my interpretation of the utterance nor Egyptology's. It is about the meaning of "makes the stone grow". Copper hydroxide is relevant but it's already been mentioned in sufficient detail. No chemical testing has been done in this area so whether it exists in fact or not is simply unknown. I maintain that there wilby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To whom is you original question addressed. Everybody with any expertise in translation... > I ask > becaue if you understand the intent of the AE > authors of the PT, why ask here in the first > place. I obviously need to show not only the proper interpretation but ALSO to prove it but I lby cladking - Ancient Egypt
I may be naive but I believe that there exists an author intent in the PT that everybody is seeking. If this truly exists then it follows that that intent should make predictions not only about the physical evidence but also about itself. ie- we should be able to deduce meaning that is consistent throughout the PT. I believe that these words "makes the stone grow" may be key to exactby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the context of the entire recitation and those > around it, this refers to the dead king being one > with Ra and having his powers. Whether that > particular line is translated as making lapis > lazuli grow, or cultivating lapis lazuli, it means > that he is creating lapis lazuli, just as he &gby cladking - Ancient Egypt
I suspect that #513d is translated incorrectly; "makes the lapis lazuli grow". I believe it is probably meant to say "makes the stone turn (the color) turquois (blue)" or more accurately "makes the blue deposition increase on stone (specific)" I'd be interested in opinions on the strength of the existing translation. No matter how one interprets the Pby cladking - Ancient Egypt
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This would lead one to believe we have it all > wrong, zep tepi was not important in fact, or zep > tepi was not an event or condition at all but > merely a part of religion and magic as early > writings suggest. I do think it's interesting that "36,000 BC" is the approximate timeby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The dispute over the “Zep Tepi” has a final > answer. The > Giza Original Project is uncovered, after 20 years > of my > researches. Not only Pyramids or Sphinx, but > other > monuments connected to the stars, perfectly > aligned at > the beginning of the Golden Age of Osiris: i.e. >by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No, I'm not missing the point as I am responding > to a post by Hans. > > I said that "sometimes" older translations can be > better, but the reason is not what you think it > is. Older translations can be more poetical, and > that is because of the type of education and >by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps, cladking, you would like to have a go at > translating spell 105 and come up with something > better. > > Here you are, good luck > > r n sHtp kA n N n.f m Xrt-nTr > i.nD-Hr.k kA.i aHaw.i > mk wi ii.kwi xr.k > xa.kwi wsr.kwi bA.kwi sxm.kwi > in.n.i n.k bd snTr >by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Corvidius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also, spell 81 specifically links Nefertem > to the rebirth of the dead. Perhaps an analogy to > show the difference between the two translations > could be the saying "Smell the coffee", being > rendered, 3,000 years from now, as "Be as tall as > the coffee". > > Yeah,by cladking - Ancient Egypt
It's not an opinion that they said "read out loud; now be still men, hear? Why don't you address this simple fact and how it can be anything other than a ritual read at a ceremony. If you can make a cogent argument it can be something else THEN I'll list hundreds of other pieces of evidence that these are RITUALS and not incantation. While you're working on thby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're making assumption again > > The full quote is: > > 1746a. To say: Now be still, men, hear > -------------------- > > 1746b. > -------------------------------------------- > > 1746c. > -------------------------------------------- > > 1746d. --------- wiby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Show evidence it was used in that method - and no > your opinion isn't evidence. The PT is obviously a list of the rituals read to the crowds and the work gangs at the kings;' ascension ceremonies. We've been through this multiple times before so you can once again ignore this post except to say I&by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You took the words of their religion and > tried to twist the meanings to support your own > view of the PT being a description of how to build > a pyramid...lol I wonder how many times I've told you that the PT is NOT a construction manual. It is obviously a list of the rituals read to the crowds andby cladking - Ancient Egypt