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April 25, 2024, 9:16 pm UTC    
April 03, 2021 09:26AM
Corvidius Wrote:
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> Between my book on Egyptian magical practice and
> the Greek magical papyri, I'm sure I can conjure
> up a spell or two to repel and banish. Might need
> some red pots first. But I'll have to hope that he
> does not start to read the PT as intended as he
> might realize which spells I could use and prepare
> a counter spell. But then, the PT does not contain
> any spells according to him.

Effective magic is pseudoscience.

The PT might just be literal;

868c. Now be still, hear it, this word which is said: "N., (#460)

1746a. To say: Now be still, men, hear --------------------((#618)

521c. Wilt thou cool it with the magic, (#324)

There exists no magic which will affect reality so far as has been shown experimentally. If the ancients really did believe in magic it was most probably impossible to have used it to build pyramids or to affect their "gods" in any way whatsoever. So far as has been shown experimentally no "imaginary consciousnesses" even exist and we lack even a working definition for "consciousness" so this will not change soon.

Indeed, there is no evidence of any sort that even belief of any kind affects reality. Belief affects human perception and cognition and the actions of humans affect reality but there's no evidence that ancient beliefs could have directly affected anything. There's no evidence that our belief that ancients were highly superstitious affects whether they even had beliefs. That their language lacked such words to invent, frame, or communicate beliefs IS prima facie evidence that they had no beliefs. "Pseudoscience" is by definition the pursuit of knowledge derived from unsupported science. It is circular reasoning starting with false assumptions like "ancient man couldn't build pyramids therefore aliens did".

Again this is not to say that Egyptology is necessarily a pseudoscience merely that it is dependent on the work of 19th century scientists and that data are not being systematically and methodically collected and analyzed. It is only through experiment that any modern science gains its ties to reality. It is through the ability to make prediction that shows its accuracy and effectiveness. Currently Egyptology is incapable of making significant prediction which implies it is no science. We can call it "linguistics" or a "social science". We can even marvel at what it has accomplished but it is no science.

It could be scientific because a great deal of "science" is really perspective and the search for anomalies to study. We have great difficulty seeing anomalies because we interpret everything in terms of our beliefs so when we do see an anomaly it's an anomaly. It is round peg that can't be pounded into our square beliefs. The scientific perspective demands we investigate and study it rather than installing a lock to keep people out, dropping the subject like a hot potato, or turning our backs on it. The study of anomalies accounts for most human progress because nobody is smart enough to just "Look and See" reality. We see experiment and we're very lucky we can see anomalies. Refusing to study them, refusing to gather evidence, and refusing to publish results are definitely the hallmark of pseudoscience and do not reflect a scientific perspective.

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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
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A comparison of Egyptology to Pseudoscience

Hans March 29, 2021 06:21PM

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A numerology time traveler goes to Ancient Egypt

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Hans April 06, 2021 12:00AM

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Ahatmose April 06, 2021 06:27AM

Torturing the data

Hans April 06, 2021 05:22PM

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Ahatmose April 06, 2021 08:10AM

Time to grow up

Hans April 06, 2021 05:30PM

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Ahatmose April 06, 2021 06:01PM

You need a new hobby take up gardening

Hans April 06, 2021 09:41PM

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Hans April 02, 2021 04:03PM

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cladking April 02, 2021 04:31PM

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Corvidius April 02, 2021 04:55PM

Yes he's keeping secret the key to all knowledge but why?

Hans April 02, 2021 06:07PM

Cladking again refuses to demonstrate his magical ability to obtain meaning from context

Hans April 03, 2021 09:43AM

Cladking you have permission to go off topic in this thread

Hans April 02, 2021 05:57PM

How to translate Cladking's ancient language

Hans April 02, 2021 04:00PM

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Corvidius April 02, 2021 05:02PM

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Hans April 03, 2021 09:38AM

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Ahatmose April 03, 2021 01:49PM

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cladking April 03, 2021 09:26AM

Cladking fails again to demonstrate how he obtain meaning from context

Hans April 03, 2021 09:41AM

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Corvidius April 03, 2021 02:06PM

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Hans April 03, 2021 02:41PM

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Corvidius April 03, 2021 02:59PM

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Hans April 03, 2021 03:20PM

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cladking April 03, 2021 07:20PM

Still doesn't know what an abstraction is or what Zipf's law is about...shakes head

Hans April 03, 2021 11:34PM

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cladking April 04, 2021 08:41AM

Still cannot show evidence of what Zipf law is and he cannot do anything but make up nonsense

Hans April 04, 2021 10:49AM

Zipf's law and Cladking

Hans April 03, 2021 11:59PM

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Corvidius April 04, 2021 02:26AM

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