Thank you Chris for this information. Until I can get an astronomy program up and running, would you also give the altitudes of Sirius and Kochab in 2560 BC ?
I have been supportive of the OCT for many years, largely because the Khufu shafts more or less point to meaningful stellar targets. I suppose I'm a bit like Noel Coward who, on being asked how to make a Martini, poured gin in a gl
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
robin cook Wrote:
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> Moving on to the Emhotep site they give 39.6
> degrees for QC south but 36.7 (?) for QC north.
> They state a length of 63.6 m (~ 121 cubits) from
> the start of the shaft (presumably just the
> angled portion) to the blocking stone - this would
> make it probable that the hieratic glyphs read
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Kanga
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Ancient Egypt
robin cook wrote:
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> Yet Legon in his analysis of the
> shafts writes - "The north and south shafts from
> the King's Chamber are now reported by Gantenbrink
> to have both opened in the casing at the height of
> 80.63 ms ± 4 cm above the base. The apertures
> thus coincided with the level of the 105th cou
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Kanga
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Ancient Egypt
So the large error in the proposed Sirius and Kochab star to shafts correlation should make us look at other options, that is, taking into account also the blocked QC air-shafts.
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Spiros
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Ancient Egypt
In his diagrams Petrie shows the floors of KC south shaft intersecting the casing just below the top of course 103, and KC north intersecting at the top of course 102. In the text he gives the height of the exits as 3248.4" and 3119.1" above pavement. (somewhere I read that Goyon gives different figures 3157" and 3127"). Gantenbrink states on his website - "As we verified
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
Kanga Wrote:
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> I was unaware that Trimble had pointed this out.
> Krupp has also stated that KCS points to Al Nilam
> for the year 2550 BCE, which as Magli has shown is
> the same year that KCN accurately points to
> Thuban. This kind of locks in these two stars and
> this date.
King Chamber North average "Ma
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Spiros
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Ancient Egypt
Robin Cook wrote:
> Take for example the King's Chamber shafts of
> Khufu which Gantenbrink showed were laid out to
> harmonize with the geometry of the pyramid. Even
> if these are considered to have both geometrical
> and astronomical significance (a kind of
> serendipity) obviously geometry came first.
Magli has pointed out that the final 16% part of the KCN
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Kanga
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Ancient Egypt
Well this is my present take, but glad to be corrected :-)
When the OCT was first proposed (indubitably discovered by Bauval, whatever the sequence of events that led him to this) it generated much interest, even amongst some egyptologists. Since then little has emerged to back it up, and scholars like Belmonte and Magli have shown that astronomically significant alignments, for example the or
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
It has longed seemed likely to me that the Egyptian calendar date of 2782 BC (back calculated from AD 139) and the position of Alpha Draconis (extremely close to the pole of the sky) at that date meant that the inception of the Egyptian calendar was on the day that Sirius rose heliacally, and that this event coincided with the construction of Khufu's Horizon because the Egyptian cycle of 309
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
I think I read that G2 was called the Great Pyramid in antiquity, and even today it is mistaken as 'G1,The Great Pyramid' because it appears to be the masterpiece of the three pyramids of Giza as it is at the centre of the three huge pyramids.
Quite simply, Khufu's father, Sneferu, pioneered huge true pyramids, and the first was the northern shining pyramid at Dahshur discountin
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
Pistol: “pri {O1 D21 D54} to go up, ascend”
‘prt’ (heliacal) rising of Sopdet (Sirius) - the brightest star in their sky.
'ia' can mean 'ascend' (M17 (j) D36 (a) + det. ‘mastaba’):
".....you shall ascend (ia) to the god" P 334 (MN) (PT 483) Sethe Vol 2: 71; §1016d
‘ia’ can also mean ‘tomb’ (M17 (j) D36 (a) + det. ‘mastaba’)
"You have been giv
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Let's say someone stations himself at the Great Pyramid on the day I was born and he waits so that the apparent altitude of the Sun is exactly 45 degrees equaling the slope of the South King Chamber air-shaft.
He then moves to the place I was born in Athens and measures the apparent altitude of the Sun. He find it(Stellarium data) 39.141 degrees. Gantenbrink measures the mean North Queen
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Spiros
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Ancient Egypt
You wrote : "The difference (d) between the Gantenbrink mean South Queen Chamber shaft slope and the altitude of the Sun at the time I was born is (based on Stellarium): d = 0.008 degrees "
I like the idea of the alignment with the sun coinciding with your birth - or have I understood it wrongly ?!
I can offer an explanation for the features of the Queen's Chamber.
The B
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
In the GH mb I opened a thread where I show how Khafre designed the position of the cult pyramid as also the sphinx facing East to encode a specific epoch when while Regulus is due East, at the same time the central Orion belt star is due South:
This epoch is in the 20th century AD.
We thus need to keep this in mind when we look at the shaft alignments.
We also need to look at the
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Spiros
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Ancient Egypt
GChase Wrote:
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> And the angles of the shafts suggest that the sky
> markers were Orion’s Belt in the southern sky and
> the Kocab-Thuban-Mizar asterism in the northern
> sky.
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>
>
> While I can understand that the book The Great
> Pyramid tries not to stray far from orthodox
> interpretatio
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Spiros
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Ancient Egypt
After a decade on the air, it’s surprising that Ancient Aliens has not devoted a whole episode to Robert Temple’s classic ancient astronaut tome The Sirius Mystery (1976).
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Further analysis of the Sirius and Dogon question:
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. Some have gone so far as to suggest that this book was the primary inspiration for the so-called ‘New Egyptology’ of Graham H
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Exploring the Sirius Star System, Nabta Playa, Nubia and Ancient Egypt as
the Shared Cradles of the Dogon, Igbo and Beta Israel Peoples
This paper traces the links between the cultures of the Dogon, Igbo and Beta Israel, mythologically tied to the Sirius star system and all emerging from Nubia and ancient pre-dynastic Egypt.
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
M. Williams Wrote:
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> Hi Pistol
>
> "So, were the stars (ankhs) above or below the
> moon (closer or farther away)? Could the early
> Egyptians perceive the reality we know today? "
>
> The AE knew the sun was farther away than the moon
> because of eclipses. The sun blocking stars during
> the
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Pistol
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Ancient Egypt
Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> Pistol: “Also, nowhere (AFAIK) in the pyramid
> text, coffin texts or book of dead will you find
> that the deities or gods speak to the deceased or
> each other, the texts describe only their actions
> or deeds not their words.”
>
>
> Sah (Orion), ‘father of the gods’ (PT 274 §408c),
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Pistol
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Ancient Egypt
Pistol: “Also, nowhere (AFAIK) in the pyramid text, coffin texts or book of dead will you find that the deities or gods speak to the deceased or each other, the texts describe only their actions or deeds not their words.”
Sah (Orion), ‘father of the gods’ (PT 274 §408c), spoke:
A sweet breeze to your nose! Orion (sAH) says to the 'Plough' / 'Big Dipper' (msxtjw):
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote:
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> Warwick L Nixon Wrote:
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> > I identified them on this page over 15 years
> ago,
> > to wit...
> >
> > Pyramid Building Gastropods from Sirius
> >
> Hey hey, no claims of glory without a link :}
Now, if we could get
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Warwick L Nixon Wrote:
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> Hans Wrote:
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> > ....gross slug like creatures....
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> I identified them on this page over 15 years ago,
> to wit...
>
> Pyramid Building Gastropods from Sirius
>
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Hans
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Ancient Egypt
Hans Wrote:
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> ....gross slug like creatures....
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>
>
I identified them on this page over 15 years ago, to wit...
Pyramid Building Gastropods from Sirius
Warwick
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ancient Egypt
"But, in my opinion, imperishable stars have nothing to do with aligning a pyramids base to the cardinal points."
The PT's have nothing about this issue directly, but they repeatedly say where the risen king's destination is in the sky.
It is to the Enneads that are close to the celestial pole.
Below are some supporting PT's.
Other translated words that prob
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
Petrie agreed with Smyth's theory that the perimeter of the long walls of the King's Chamber may be regarded as the circumference of a circle with a diameter equal to the length of the chamber as 20 cubits.
A circle with a diameter of 20 cubits has an equal area square with a side length of 365 x 34/25 digits for the pi approximation 22/7.
The perimeter of the virtual square equat
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
The figure of 1461 is, as you explain, the number of years for Sirius to rise heliacally again on the New Year's day.
But it is also the number of days in a four year cycle of 365 + 365 + 365 + 366 days, one of which is the Leap year. (This is of course the cycle for the sunrise to match the stars again.)
One of the jobs of the ascended King was to maintain cosmic order, or Maat, in wh
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
Thanks for that on stars, and that's my understanding of the situation.
From memory Alpha Draconis or Thuban was just a few arc minutes from the pole c.2790 BC and Sirius would have risen heliacally on New Year's Day 2770 BC assuming the integrity of the Egyptian calendar.
This could be a coincidence or it could mean that AE decided to start or re-start the calendar in 2770 BC bec
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
The star software programs normally include proper motion of the stars when working out historic positions. The proper motion of Sirius is very significant.
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt