Byrd Wrote:
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> I misidentified Sirius as well. Turns out it's
> the bull in the boat.
Well, none of them is exactly easy to make out, are they ...
According to Cauville here - -
35 (42), 37 (44), 37 (45), 77 (85) - Sirius was assimilated to Satis; as one of the day-hours, Sirius-Sothis sailed in a boat with th
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote:
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> However, there is a crab - a creature with eight
> legs - clearly shown here -
> (fig. 2,
> pg. 4, PDF 5), kind of opposite the head of the
> ram.
>
> So, trying to extrapolate this: I wondered if that
> thing on the engraving that looks like a pie
> (opposite the head of the ram) is
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
To avoid confusion for other readers about the term Zodiac as it is usually associated with the famous circular zodiac of the Hator Temple Dendera in the Louvre: That circular zodiac is from a small penthouse room on top of the temple roof. The zodiac I'm talking about here is the rectangular zodiac in the entry hall (Hypostyle) where it is split in two parts on the furthest right and furthe
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Good to know the name of the scarab-crab now! I
> see one of the alternative name writings, Khephir,
> sounds like German "Käfer" (beetle, used for the
> insect and also for the car).
>
> Maybe Khepri was just one of the avatars of
> Cancer, similar to the many visual avatars s
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Byrd, Hermione:
> Sure, that scarab-crab figure is strange. Looks
> like the ancient artist was undecided.
No indecision -- that sort of thing wouldn't have been allowed in a sacred space. That's the Egyptian deity Kephri. In scarab form, he represents the sun at daybreak. He is emerging
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
At a conference in Tucson AZ I recently presented a poster showing a curious detail of the two Nut ceiling reliefs of the Dendera Hathor Temple. A focused stream with the sun at one end and a Hathor head flooded by the stream was depicted by the ancient artist. I think the classic interpretation would be sun rays, though I couldn’t find any written interpretation about this in classic literature
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> > Hermione: “However, if Khufu died in 2483 BC
> > (a date about which there
> is
> > considerable dispute), what would be the
> > significance of the Al Nilam alignment date? If
> > it's some 70 or 90 years before his death,
> might
> > it have had some connection wit
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Hermione: “But there are some problems here. First, we still don't really know if any of the shafts were intended to point at anything in the sky, and weren't designed and constructed for some other reason altogether.”
After pondering this issue off and on over many years I lean toward the idea that the shafts had a multi-functional purpose - both practical and metaphysical.
We s
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
keeperzz Wrote:
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> The ventilation hypothesis is very weak. The
> ventilation of the chamber with the help of two
> channels, in theory, can be carried out either (a)
> due to the wind, or (b) due to the existance of
> the pressure difference (natural ventilation).
Stratification of air by temperature would be exceed
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cladking
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Ancient Egypt
Three main interpretations exist to explain the propose of Khufu's shafts:
1) Air shafts
2) Geomethric shafts
3) Star shafts
As well as combination of two functions - air-geometric shafts; star-geometric shafts.
Air shafts
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The ventilation hypothesis is very weak. The ventilation of the chamber with the help of two channels, in theory, can be carried out either (a) du
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
OK, I'll start.
The first thing you need to know about the air shafts is that they are not air shafts. If there were a need to ventilate the chambers, the shafts would run horizontally to the surface of the pyramid. A horizontal design would make them so much easier to construct. Instead, the architect has gone out of his way to make it hard for the masons to construct these shafts.
Ot
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Kanga
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Ancient Egypt
Kanga Wrote:
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> Not that I accept Creighton's explanation, he has
> nevertheless misquoted Trimble. He has also
> erroneously stated that the Orion's Belt
> orientation of KCS was her idea. It was not. It
> was Badawy's. Trimble only made the astronomical
> calculations at Badawy's request.
>
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
robin cook Wrote:
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> I just wanted to ask if anyone has come across any
> new information regarding the shafts?
> Just to recap, I came across a serious discrepancy
> between Petrie's and Gantenbrink's figures for the
> shaft exits. I raised the question here a year or
> so ago. I wrote to Egyptological auth
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Hans
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Ancient Egypt
I just wanted to ask if anyone has come across any new information regarding the shafts?
Just to recap, I came across a serious discrepancy between Petrie's and Gantenbrink's figures for the shaft exits. I raised the question here a year or so ago. I wrote to Egyptological authorities and also joined the EFF where, with Alex Puchkov, a discussion took place on the question. There were
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
Mark Heaton Wrote:
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> In response to Byrd:
>
>
> Many Egyptologists start with the notion of
> Sirius, but Sirius was merely a marker of the
> solar year.
A marker of the flood season as well. The observatories were there to predict the floods.
> it was. Observations of the heliacal rise might
> well
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
In response to Byrd:
Many Egyptologists start with the notion of Sirius, but Sirius was merely a marker of the solar year.
It is true that its cycle happened to be 365.249 days or 365.251 in the Pyramid Age (rather than the solar cycle of 365.242 days), but this is only known from modern astronomy, and of no help except in the minds of Egyptologists who somehow suppose it was. Observation
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
Well, no. In the first place they had two calendars - a religious calendar and a civil calendar and the days weren't exact matches.
The design is based on engineering -- what will enable a pyramid structure to rise as high as possible and not collapse into the sand. The Red Pyramid is one of three or four built by Sneferu, and they all have different proportions.
Something with a cal
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Mark Heaton Wrote:
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> Am I right in thinking that the brightest object
> in the sky after the sun and moon is Venus?
>
> I suppose the ancient Egyptians regarded the stars
> and wandering stars (planets) as very much smaller
> than the sun and moon in the third millennium BC.
>
> It seems natural for the kin
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engbren
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Ancient Egypt
Am I right in thinking that the brightest object in the sky after the sun and moon is Venus?
I suppose the ancient Egyptians regarded the stars and wandering stars (planets) as very much smaller than the sun and moon in the third millennium BC.
It seems natural for the kings of Egypt in the Pyramid Age to have identified themselves with the sun and the moon as the greater light governing th
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Alex,
I quickly sketched up the present situation on the shafts, which is my understanding garnered from the ongoing discussions here. It might be a little difficult to follow because of complexity and screen monitor size limitations but I am sure interested parties here will understand it.
The faint grey lines (marked 'G') show Gantenbrink's ideal scheme. Line 'P
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Chris,
Your review of the QC shafts is exhaustive, so I have nothing to add except for three small comments:
1) It is not clear why Gantenbrink gives the angle of the QCN shaft with an accuracy of 4 digits after the point (in other data, he uses one digit after the point).
2) Since QC shafts have no exits to the surface, we do not have any additional data to check the accuracy of the
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Alex,
from my 2008 web page on the lower shafts:
The lower shafts cannot be accessed from the top ends, and what lies beyond the closure stones is still unknown. Gantenbrink's survey of these shafts is not as comprehensive as the upper shafts, which leaves many unanswered questions.
A 'Rope Climber' that carried a high-resolution, numeric-digital instrument designed to
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Alex,
Your reconstruction of the series of mistakes and the narratives built upon them is compelling, and the somewhat dismissive attitude I have encountered in my enquiries over the shaft question deepens my suspicion that nobody has properly addressed the problem and simply repeats assertions flying around the net. But it is clear that the controversy can only be brought to an end by Gant
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Hermione,
Thank you for the link to Tallet's article.
QuoteWorking from the contemporary evidence of Merer's logbook, French archaeologists have deduced that Khufu died in the spring of 2483 BC (Tallet, Journal de Merer, MIFAO 36, 2017: 12.)
To begin with, I can note that I was very impressed by the author's courage in determining absolute dates with an accuracy of one yea
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Alex,
Regarding the 45 degree contention here are a couple of pictures. First the alignments to Heliopolis (H) and Djedefre (D) from Giza (G) -
- you'll notice I propose a geometrical scheme for these alignments but for the moment ignore this.
The second picture shows the root two 45 degree construction in Khufu, defining the floorline of the King's burial chamber (and a
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Robin,
I am glad that our points of view are gradually converging and I agree with big part of what you have written.
Quotewhile the root 2 division of the height of Khufu to locate the floor of the King's chamber (thus 'rotating' the pyramid through 45 degrees)
Can you explain this?
QuoteCould it be that, while acknowledging the connection to Orion the passage angle wa
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Robin,
QuoteIf Brabin is right
Brabin's idea of checking the correctness of Smith's measurements is reasonable, since indeed, this short initial section of the ascending corridor can be a source of error when connecting the external and internal surveying of the pyramid. Indeed, the outside masonry can be used as an anchor, as the elevations of stone courses relative to the paveme
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Alex,
Oh, you mean the author who wrote the PDF - I thought you meant Gantenbrink. If you look more closely at the PDF author's website -
- you may understand why i am not impressed with the author's ideas in general. On the other hand one should not discard an idea simply because it comes from a shaky source.
If Brabin is right, the contention that the entire upper passage
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Robin,
QuoteWhat is 'the author's explanation for the discrepancy'?
When you gave the link to the article in the start post, you wrote: “I don't agree with the author's explanation for the discrepancy but he does make some important points. He acknowledges that Gantenbrink's survey of KC south was meticulous and full details are presented here”. I became intere
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Alex,
What is 'the author's explanation for the discrepancy'? Has it been definitely confirmed that Petrie made a mistake in his estimation of the course number in which the KC south shaft emerges on the casing?
If the shafts are geometric then their layout should relate to the geometry of the pyramid which, according to Gantenbrink's scheme for KC shafts, they do. Th
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robin cook
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Ancient Egypt