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kborissov Wrote:
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> The connection between the heb sed
> and rain is attested (see Petrie, 1925).
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Petrie says that the problem was precisely that there wasn't any rain, so the king had to bring the inundation, the annual Nile flood:
Quotel9). In Egypt, there being no rain, tlhe king naturally had the duty o
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
In PART 7, I wrote that the Sun temples of the fifth dynasty were used in Sed Festivals within the lifetime of the king - not in the afterlife, in spite of the temples being built on the west bank of the Nile. This is evidenced by the extensive Sed Festival scenes of Nuiserre’s sun temple.
Also note that one sun temple was built on top of a previous one (which was no longer needed after the
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
My article analyzing data from the Illahun archive and proposing a correction to the numbering of the days of the Egyptian lunar month was published in the journal of the National Academy of Science of Ukraine.
I would like to express my sincere gratitude to Hermione, who significantly improved the English text of the article.
Abstract: The ancient Egyptians celebrated the wAgj feast, an in
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keeperzz
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Ancient Egypt
You : "There is little to support the idea that either of these lower shafts has an astronomical orientation"
What then is the consensus of opinion about the purpose of the shafts ?
In Part 5 above I have suggested they were false windows to Sirius and to Kocab, which were both time markers, year and day respectively.
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
Hi again Alex,
You might find this observation interesting.
The elevation of the 4 stars shafts of the great Pyramid seem to have been chosen for other reasons than directional accuracy.
KC south shaft was 77 / 77 which can be written as 11 / 11. The north shaft was 7 / 11. The average of these is 9 / 11
It must have been a coincidence that the two asterisms of Orion’s Belt and the M
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
Part 5 : The Great Pyramid
The burial chamber was large with its two small shafts connecting to the skies. There was a Grand Gallery with a stone stairway each side and there was Great Step at the top vertically under the apex. Also a second chamber, called the Queen’s Chamber, again vertically under the apex.
The Grand Gallery was much 'grander' than its small prototype in the
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
PART 2 : Djoser’s Complex at Saqqara
The whole complex was a manifestation par excellence of Heb Sed structures.
There was a continuity of concepts from Khasekhemwy to Djoser, but with big improvements. First, many of the structures for the Heb Sed were represented in stone, although the stones were often carved to look like the temporary materials normally used.
A second difference be
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GChase
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Ancient Egypt
If people could comment on the origin of the royal cubit and such instead of getting into some ideological arguments about Pharaoh's tombs, etc...
The small Pyramids from the early 5th Dynasty onward were, from all evidence and from the Pyramid Texts, built as tombs of the respective Kings of Egypt as relevant to these Kings' association to the death and resurrection of Osiris.
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hrst1
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Ancient Egypt
Ahatmose Wrote:
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> Tompkins showed an image over the well at Syrene
> and explained how it showed the Tropic of Cancer.
> If you find fault with that great but don't try to
> muddy the waters. The only thing I haven't been
> able to verify is his statement of "an
> observatory" on Elephantin
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> > Hi Byrd ... I am very disappointed at the lack
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> > input into this hrst1 theory.
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> In general (or on my part) it's because of the
> lack of supporting evidence from the Old Kingdom.
> What's
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hrst1
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Ancient Egypt
Ahatmose Wrote:
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> Hi Byrd ... I am very disappointed at the lack of
> input into this hrst1 theory.
In general (or on my part) it's because of the lack of supporting evidence from the Old Kingdom. What's offered is Ptolemaic era for the most part, and that's thousands of years after the first cubit rod shows up.
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Byrd
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Hi Byrd ... I am very disappointed at the lack of input into this hrst1 theory.
Of all the theories of The Egyptian civilization and their myths and the how and the who of them this has to be the most promising. (Sadly actually much more solid than my own) It explains the starting point logically as the day that two remarkable things happened almost coincidentally. The first was the Tropic o
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Ahatmose
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Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote:
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> So, any celestial alignment they
> have with the night sky would have to match what
> the heavens looked like some 4,500 years ago.
While I somewhat agree about the relative alignment of the 3 Orion stars and the 3 pyramids, they are not a celestial alignment in the strict sense as those would need to have a
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> the Babylonians (who did use this method and
> were frankly the prime astronomers of the Levant)
> avidly studied the stars, made accurate tables,
> and used this information, constructing
> observatories and libraries for this information.
> We have no such artifacts that I'm aware of fro
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Well, some spelling and grammar mistakes ("Babylonian's" for "Babylonians" - as someone with a degree in English, the use of an apostrophe to incorrectly indicate a plural noun is always grating) - and frankly the evidence isn't terribly convincing.
You are using tertiary (or even further removed) sources that say calculating the stars was something that the ancie
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote:
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> There are a few references to Sirius in this
> thesis -
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Yes, that work by Barbara Ann Richter was a great finding. I already extracted the Sirius section and copied to .
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> > > The building was built by Augustus (so AFTER
> > > Julius Caesar) and doesn't really reflect any
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Byrd Wrote:
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> > The building was built by Augustus (so AFTER
> > Julius Caesar) and doesn't really reflect any
> > ancient Egyptian knowledge or knowledge of
> Sirius.
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> That was also a bit confusing, why they w
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
I've created branch (Sirius Hathor Temple relation: external references) now to collect external references about the Sirius Hathor Temple relation. Isis is also already named there in that context.
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Let's collect in this thread research and references provided from external sources about the connection of Sirius with the Hathor Temple.
The Theology of Hathor of Dendera: Aural and Visual Scribal Techniques in the Per-Wer Sanctuary, Barbara Ann Richter, 2012
* page 3: Her journey south may also reflect the disappearance of the star Sirius (equated with Isis), and its return, which
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
I’ll collect some and add later today in this discussion with a separate title.
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> The building was built by Augustus (so AFTER
> Julius Caesar) and doesn't really reflect any
> ancient Egyptian knowledge or knowledge of Sirius.
That was also a bit confusing, why they were hiding that temple behind the larger Hathor one, if it really was built later.
If it was built later: Was the easter
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> One older source from history is the Isis temple
> built directly next to it on the south western
> wall only a few meters away with the same 18°
> clockwise rotation from north alignment. The long
> axis of the Isis temple is pointing directly to
> the Eastern gate 100m away, where Sirius wo
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> It's not my idea that the construction of the
> Hathor temple had Sirius in mind, there are many
> other sources from history about that.
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Have these already been mentioned in this discussion? I can't call any to mind ...
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> That's pretty much in line with their surveying abilities and their construction methods
> of other large stone buildings.
I'm not doubting that the engineers and architects of the GP had precise surveying abilities. And as we found out now by comparing with modern code or norms, their measurement precisi
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Holger Isenberg
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> But isn't it remarkable how that old building
> reaches 42% of that modern norm, which requires
> high precision optical instruments at the
> construction sites?
Nope. That's pretty much in line with their surveying abilities and their construction methods of other large stone buildin
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Wait, I guess we mixed measurement precision with construction precision. The 30mm tolerance over 30m on that German page is the construction tolerance of the actual concrete. The ISO 4463 appears to be only the measurement precision, not the tolerance of the actual parts or construction.
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd Wrote:
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> Not as good as modern standards, according to this
> manual of construction tolerances:
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Nice, that's helpful!
Ok, the GP would not conform to ISO 4463 (published 1989) regarding its ground square dimensions as its 14cm length deviation for the 230m side length from the shortest to the longest of the 4 w
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> That's not a generally true statement about the
> Great Pyramid.
> The base length deviation of the four 230m long
> sides is about 14cm.
> The standard tolerances for modern concrete
> constructions in Germany are 30mm for 30m and
> larger parts. For even larger parts
> buildi
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Byrd
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Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote:
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> > The GP (and others) are hardly "precisely
> > constructed." Seriously.
That's not a generally true statement about the Great Pyramid.
The base length deviation of the four 230m long sides is about 14cm.
The
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Holger Isenberg
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Ancient Egypt
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