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> > It also points to a lot of other things.
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> I’m not excluding that, but haven’t seen any
> precise pointing yet within 1 degree. Do you have
> an example?
Nope. Frankly, I don't find the idea very convi
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> The GP (and others) are hardly "precisely
> constructed." Seriously.
Indeed ...
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> It also points to a lot of other things.
I’m not excluding that, but haven’t seen any precise pointing yet within 1 degree. Do you have an example?
> In order to support your idea, you have to show
> other material that proves that the architect
> "intentionally" wanted Sirius instead of something
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Holger Isenberg
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> The east-west axis is geometrically pointing to
> the yearly rising location of Sirius. That's an
> observable fact.
It also points to a lot of other things.
> My interpretation then is, that
> the temple architect intentionally chose that
> rotation angle to fit this Sirius locatio
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Byrd Wrote:
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> It's my interpretation - just as the orientation
> to Sirius is your interpretation.
The east-west axis is geometrically pointing to the yearly rising location of Sirius. That's an observable fact. My interpretation then is, that the temple architect intentionally chose that rotation angle to fit this Sir
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Holger Isenberg
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> > Remember that the constellation wasn't
> "Draco"... it was "Taweret" the protector, who
> restrains evil and harm.
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> I'm just seeing that the only geometric match for
> alignm
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> Remember that the constellation wasn't "Draco"... it was "Taweret" the protector, who restrains evil and harm.
I'm just seeing that the only geometric match for alignment of that 18° rotation from north is the yearly Sirius rising point on the horizon.
Is the 18° rotation towards north d
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Holger Isenberg
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> > You can't see Sirius rising from any point in
> the
> > temple -- or indeed any sunrise.
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> You can use the front or back wall as visor line,
> simple. But yes, there is no visible feature for
>
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> You can't see Sirius rising from any point in the
> temple -- or indeed any sunrise.
You can use the front or back wall as visor line, simple. But yes, there is no visible feature for the casual local visitor as the 18° rotation angle from north is only visible on aerial maps. Even a compass wouldn't help
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Byrd Wrote:
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> I'm not into beliefs. I see that the whole temple
> is rotated from true north by the precise angle to
> point with 2 of the 4 sides towards the horizon
> location where Sirius re-appears after its yearly
> pause.
You can't see Sirius rising from any point in
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Byrd Wrote:
> Beyond your own belief that the temple indicated
> something about Sirius, there is no evidence that
> Sirius has any real significance at Dendera
I'm not into beliefs. I see that the whole temple is rotated from true north by the precise angle to point with 2 of the 4 sides towards the horizon location where Sirius re-appears after its yearly pause. And this t
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> In my interpretation the sothic cycle doesn’t
> matter for a practical calendar as the
> synchronization just by observing the heliacal
> Sirius rising was precise enough for many
> centuries due to the astrometric aspects of this
> star’s location, proper motion and the temple’s
> latitu
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Fortunately, we could keep the term sothic cycle / sothis cycle out of this discussion. I’m just adding it now as those searching for it may find the discussion here interesting.
In my interpretation the sothic cycle doesn’t matter for a practical calendar as the synchronization just by observing the heliacal Sirius rising was precise enough for many centuries due to the astrometric aspects of t
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> > But there's no feature that points to Sirius.
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> You mean geometrically pointing to the star or by
> symbols?
I mean that the main doors, main causeway (and others) don't point to the star. And now th
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> But there's no feature that points to Sirius.
You mean geometrically pointing to the star or by symbols?
Geometrically, the facade and the backside wall are aligned perfectly to the heliacal rising location on the horizon. But you are right that there is no visor, or door, or any help for the casual visitor direct
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Holger Isenberg
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But there's no feature that points to Sirius.
There are other temples with similar alignments, but if you look at them, you will find that there's no doorway or street that points in the direction of the spot where Sirius is to rise. There's walls in the way. There is no way of observing the event from within the temple grounds.
When they align the temples with other object
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Byrd
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Searching around for the definition of Hathor’s
> birthday only turned up the Sirius helical rising day for me.
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> Hagar, Stansbury. "What was the star of
> Bethlehem." Popular Astronomy 26 (1918): 229.
That article i
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Holger Isenberg
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Searching around for the definition of Hathor’s
> birthday only turned up the Sirius helical rising
> day for me. Can you point me to this 10 day before
> definition or other definitions?
Hagar, Stansbury. "What was the star of Bethlehem." Popular Astronomy 26 (1918): 229. found at
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Searching around for the definition of Hathor’s birthday only turned up the Sirius helical rising day for me. Can you point me to this 10 day before definition or other definitions?
Temples in ancient Europe are inded almost exclusively aligned to certain Sun rise/set locations, mostly solstices as the equinoxs are more difficult to determine without high precision gear. The solstices are rela
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Alignment means very little. You are assuming Sirius, but a more logical interpretation is that the structure is aligned to the position of the sun at dawn on Hathor's birthday, which is about 10 days earlier than the heliacal rising of Sirius. The actual difference in the position of the sun at sunrise on both those days is very slight and well within the margin of error.
Since it
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Even with a calculated constant axial precession of the standard astronomy model and the proper motion of Sirus itself in front of the other stars, the 108° direction of the Sirius heliacal rising at Dendera doesn't change much between 54 BCE over 1583 CE to present 2022 CE. I guess that's due to a geometrical effect at the time of the rising and local latitude as the long term movement
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I searched around for older postings about Sirius in relation to the calendar or Dendera and found the following most interesting:
This is a great one! Robert Bauval on his red bike "Satis", that's more for folklore and celebration
Robert, if you are reading here, check out my poster linked from .
Robert's posting about this paper:
On the Orientation of Ancient Egy
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Two maps to explain that alignment better:
The line 18° clockwise from East is pointing towards the direction where Sirius is rising at the horizon when it appears the first time every summer:
In comparison, the Great Pyramid is perfectly aligned towards true North (or also towards true East, West, South as it is square shaped on the foundation). Map with same scale:
The location whe
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Hermione Wrote:
> I don't know why Hathor should
> be a "hidden symbol" for Sirius.
Because her whole massive temple is aligned to that star. It's rotated by 18° from true North clockwise. That's not random if you see how precise for example the Great Pyramid was true North aligned.
For the Sirius/Hathor (Temple) discussion I have now created the following
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Hermione Wrote:
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> There has been a lot of discussion of Sirius
> (some of it quite impassioned at times) over the
> years on Ma'at -
Also about the Sirius / Hathor Temple relation? I'll look...
For now I have created the following new topic for the Sirius discussion in relation to the Hathor Temple:
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For Sirius in the context of the Dender Hathor Temple I've created this separate topic now.
The Hathor Temple foundation is based on Sirius. It's just that simple. That means the whole massive building is aligned to Sirius. That also means while we have all those giant Hathor face portraits on the outer columns and throughout the temple, it's scientific alignment was towards Sir
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Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> Yes, the resting cow in a barque with a five
> pointed star between her horns is shown in the
> rectangular zodiac in front of Sothis. There we
> have three Sirius-symbols together
>
> How about saying with this, that Hathor herself,
> at least at this very temple, is a hidden symbol
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Hermione
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Yes, the resting cow in a barque with a five pointed star between her horns is shown in the rectangular zodiac in front of Sothis. There we have three Sirius-symbols together
How about saying with this, that Hathor herself, at least at this very temple, is a hidden symbol for Sirius?
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Hermione Wrote:
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> According to Cauville here -
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> 35 (42), 37 (44), 37 (45), 77 (85) - Sirius
> was assimilated to Satis; as one of the day-hours,
> Sirius-Sothis sailed in a boat with the moon; and
> is described as the "divine cow" ...
>
> So not sure about the creature you found bei
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Sirius - 2 years ago
There has been a lot of discussion of Sirius (some of it quite impassioned at times) over the years on Ma'at -
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Hermione
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