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ISHMAEL

October 03, 2001 11:12AM

<HTML>> I also understand it is nonsense. :-)

Then you don't really understand it. :-(

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If I don't understand it, read what I wrote and correct my misconceptions. I have now made two or three postings on the subject where I explain his argument in depth.

I am puzzeled as to how is it that you can accuse me of misunderstanding Krupp when it was I who corrected your own misconceptions on the subject. How do you explain my understanding of the nuances of Krupp's argument that you yourself had missed? Yet you conclude that it is I who somehow fails to grasp what he has to say.

I say this without any condesention. It took me a LONG time to get my head around Krupp's position. It's not easy to understand it (at least, it wasn't for me).

I cut myself some slack in this however, as it is inherintly more difficult to understand in illogical position than it is to understand one that makes sense. :-)

It is common practice to conclude that someone who does not agree with one must lack understanding of the issues. It is more often true that real disagreement is possible in the face of the claims made.

Krupp's "argument" is utterly and completely unconvincing to me. It is the worst most ridiculous argument against the OCT.

Some examples of valid arguments:

The evidence for replanning.
The (pursuasive) argument against the relationship between pyramid scale and star magnitude.
The angle and distance errors for Menkeare's pyramid placement (this argument has now been countered by my investigations)
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> I have no idea why the Egyptians did this - but I am certain
> now that they did.

Even without statistical proof?

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Yes. But this is just my intuition based upon the numbers that I see. Many scientists are certain of many things in opposition to the claims of other no less learned investigators. But these *certainties* are of course preliminary. The debate continues and the possibility remains that contrary evidence will emerge.
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> Though I currently lack the quantitative data to prove
> intent, I am personally quite confident that the results of
> an analysis will provide it.

Ah... Isn't that called fudging the effects of a predetermined outcome? No matter how much you want the OCT to be true that doesn't make it so.

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If the analysis of the probabilities does not support my current conclusions, I will have to admit that I lack the *proof* for the OCT I currenlty believe I have. That's why I am attempting to get an objective study done and have it published as an adendum to our paper.

No matter its conclusions, the analysis will most certainly provide strong evidence in favour of the OCT. Will it provide *proof?* That remains to be seen.

I am confident that anyone who looks at our results will be forced to conclude that what we have found is - in the very least - an ASTONISHING coincidence. Furthermore, the suposition that that the positions of the Belt Stars influenced the design of the Giza complex will no longer be characterized by its opponents as "irrational."

I think my most basic goal is to end the atmosphere of contempt that clouds investigation of this matter. I believe that many of the alternative investigators deserve respect - even if thier arguments are in error. I give no less to Krupp.

ISHMAEL</HTML>

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Subject	Author	Posted
For Duncan RE Coincidence	sandy	September 29, 2001 06:21PM
Re: Sorry	sandy	September 29, 2001 06:41PM
Re: Sorry	Anthony	September 30, 2001 05:51AM
Re: Sorry	Stephen Tonkin	September 30, 2001 07:30AM
Re: Sorry	Anthony	September 30, 2001 07:50AM
Re: Sorry	Stephen Tonkin	September 30, 2001 11:05AM
Re: Sorry	sandy	September 30, 2001 08:19AM
Re: Sorry	Stephen Tonkin	September 30, 2001 11:07AM
Technically possible...	Anthony	September 30, 2001 05:12PM
Re: Technically possible...	Greg Reeder	September 30, 2001 06:00PM
Yep.... see this	Katherine Reece	September 30, 2001 07:55PM
Re: Technically possible...	Brad	September 30, 2001 09:11PM
Re: Technically possible...	Stephen Tonkin	September 30, 2001 11:30PM
Two answers....	Anthony	October 01, 2001 04:25PM
Long accurate alignments and TRASH	Stephen Tonkin	October 02, 2001 05:10AM
TRASH is RIGHT!	Anthony	October 02, 2001 10:32AM
Re: TRASH is trash!	Stephen Tonkin	October 02, 2001 06:59PM
Re: TRASH is trash!	Anthony	October 03, 2001 07:07AM
Re: TRASH is trash!	Stephen Tonkin	October 03, 2001 11:20AM
Re: Sorry	John	September 30, 2001 06:12AM
Re: Sorry	Anthony	September 30, 2001 06:45AM
A Hint	ISHMAEL	September 30, 2001 01:26PM
Re: A Hint	John	September 30, 2001 02:00PM
No, he won't elaborate...	Anthony	September 30, 2001 05:16PM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 04:19AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 06:57AM
Statistical Analysis and probability	Claire	October 01, 2001 07:20AM
Re: Statistical Analysis and probability	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 09:10AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 07:22AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 09:21AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 09:40AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 10:24AM
Rotating the Axis	Anthony	October 01, 2001 10:26AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 11:50AM
Call me stupid...	Anthony	October 01, 2001 12:47PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Claire	October 01, 2001 01:16PM
Re: Call me stupid...	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 01:49PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 03:55PM
Re: Call me stupid...	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 09:10AM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anonymous User	October 02, 2001 10:29AM
Re: Call me stupid...	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 12:56PM
ISHMAEL!!!!!!	Anthony	October 02, 2001 01:45PM
Re: ISHMAEL!!!!!!	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 02:19PM
Re: ISHMAEL!!!!!!	Anthony	October 02, 2001 02:21PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anonymous User	October 02, 2001 01:54PM
Re: Call me stupid...	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 02:28PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anonymous User	October 03, 2001 08:29AM
Re: Call me stupid...	Stephen Tonkin	October 03, 2001 11:06AM
Re: Call me stupid...	ISHMAEL	October 03, 2001 11:12AM
Re: Call me stupid...	Claire	October 02, 2001 03:27PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anonymous User	October 03, 2001 08:18AM
Don't Call the AE's Stupid :-)	ISHMAEL	October 03, 2001 11:17AM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anthony	October 01, 2001 01:51PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Claire	October 01, 2001 01:59PM
Call you Smart!	Anthony	October 01, 2001 02:15PM
Anthony	Claire	October 01, 2001 02:19PM
Re: Anthony	Anthony	October 01, 2001 02:25PM
Re: Anthony	Claire	October 01, 2001 02:27PM
Re: Call me stupid...	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 03:42PM
Yo, Duncan!	Anthony	October 02, 2001 01:50PM
Re: Yo, Duncan!	Anonymous User	October 02, 2001 02:28PM
East is east and West is west.	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 02:45PM
Guys...	Anthony	October 02, 2001 03:19PM
Re: Guys...	Anonymous User	October 02, 2001 03:34PM
Okay...Uh....no.	Anthony	October 02, 2001 04:55PM
Re: Okay...Uh....no.	Anonymous User	October 03, 2001 08:49AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 01:30PM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 04:10PM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Stephen Tonkin	October 02, 2001 01:51AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Claire	October 02, 2001 05:03AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Stephen Tonkin	October 02, 2001 06:08AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Anonymous User	October 02, 2001 06:19AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Stephen Tonkin	October 02, 2001 09:14AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Anonymous User	October 02, 2001 03:03PM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Dave Moore	October 05, 2001 03:17AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Stephen Tonkin	October 05, 2001 05:50AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Dave Moore	October 05, 2001 09:08AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	Stephen Tonkin	October 05, 2001 11:39AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 09:14AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	sandy	October 02, 2001 09:51AM
Re: Rotating the Axis	ISHMAEL	October 02, 2001 01:05PM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	Stephen Tonkin	October 01, 2001 01:40PM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 01:50PM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 10:08AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 11:21AM
Re: No, he won't elaborate...	Stephen Tonkin	October 01, 2001 01:42PM
Re: Sorry	John	September 30, 2001 06:57AM
Re: Sorry	Anthony	September 30, 2001 07:52AM
Re: Sorry	Katherine Reece	September 30, 2001 08:12AM
Re: For Duncan RE Coincidence	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 04:44AM
Re: For Duncan RE Coincidence	Stephen Tonkin	October 01, 2001 05:20AM
Re: For Duncan RE Coincidence	Anonymous User	October 01, 2001 07:08AM
Re: For Duncan RE Coincidence	Stephen Tonkin	October 01, 2001 01:47PM
Re: For Duncan RE Coincidence	sandy	October 01, 2001 05:25AM
Re: For Duncan RE Coincidence	ISHMAEL	October 01, 2001 07:05AM

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