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This is a fascinating topic, which I try to bring into posts when applicable, but I fear is not understood, at least not by those who need to understand.
I'll mention that Gaelle Chantrain covers this topic in a book she co-edits with Jean Winand, "Time and Space at Issue in Ancient Egypt" Lingua Aegyptia Studia Monographica 19, published in 2018. I'll note that the final c
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The entire thing is in fact spell 125
What led me astray was that the tomb owner is seen at the far right praising the 42 judges, something I believe that is not common, but is in vignettes to chapter 18 with it's 44 deities laid out just like the 42 judges. I had counted them in the image, but as it's not that big or clear, miscounted.
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It's the normal "mix n match" as you'll be aware. The frieze on top illustrates Chapter 18 of the BoD and we are looking at "The Great Council", the texts in the image are not about them. The text in the main body of the vignette is a mix of descriptive, whose is who and doing what, and I would say part of Chapter 30 of the BoD.
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He's very very angry that nobody believes him, very very very angry, and it's hilarious.
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He seems to have been operating in woo territory, and indulging in a bit of plagarism, one of his videos about Tutankhamun seems to have taken some ideas from material I had posted on the Historum forum back in about 2017, and I believe others have had their work appropriated by him. However, I would say that for the last few years he has seen the light and got his act together, and I think now d
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I also could not agree with all he wrote about the origins of Judaism, but he certainly presented a very good case, and his "The Invention of Religion", primarily about Exodus, is fascinating. Outside of his forays into Judaism though, we have lost a titan of Egyptology and the study of their religion. So now the "two giant pillars" of the modern understanding of AE religion a
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Evidence of hieroglyphs this early, and that they bear no similarities with cuneiform whatsoever, rather mitigates against AE culture coming from Mesopotamia, only some borrowings of motivs, serpopards etc, and most certainly cannot indicate that the AE ruling class came from Mesopotamia, as some suggest.
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This looks fake, or at least I doubt it's from KV62. The display case is wrong for the Egyptian museum and the features do not look like those of Tutankhamun. There appears to be a cartouche on the right shoulder, but the image is too poor to see it clearly. There appears to be the kheper sign of his throne name, but the entire design looks fake, like somebodies idea of what a real cartouch
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Cryptography is of course a feature, but when it comes to cryptographic renderings of Tutankhamun's throne name then the changes are very minor. They involve the substitution of the neb sign with the heb sign, which is a very obvious, and in various ways of representing the plural, either by having a clear three of a certain object, for instance three lotus plants, or in replicating an entir
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cladking Wrote:
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> > The point I am
> > making here is that no matter the gap in time
> > between my examples and the PT, a liturgy can
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> > discerned in the PT, and while the content may
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> > radically diff
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Yes that's correct for that piece, I should have made it clear that I was refering to the one in the link to the Egyptian Museum. Referrencing the necklace of the Sun rising on the horizon was only to point out that the longer strap length for this item than the lunar ones make it a good fit for a 12 year old, and that the lunar items, at least the ones that still have their strap, must hav
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That's funny and disturbing at the same time, very disturbing, and I never knew this about the Mormons, thought they were just yet another bunch of weird fundamentalst Protestants, but this isn't even Christianity.
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cladking Wrote:
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> There are numerous instructions given to the
> individuals reading these rituals. One of the most
> common is "repeat three times" but far and away
> the most common is to "read aloud". Almost every
> ritual starts with the instruction, "read aloud".
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> Some of th
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Pistol Wrote:
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> Excellent point! The only document that attempts
> to explain G1 is Westcar, a 15 dynasty copy
> (translated into hieroglyphs by a19th century
> scholar) of a 12 dynasty tale.
And it's these tales that can cause so much confusion if folks take them to be accuarate representations of history. An anal
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cladking Wrote:
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> > The thread is about real issues with
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> > the PT, not your fantasies.
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> The FACT that every Egyptologist believes the PT
> are incantation and magic is the ONLY real issue.
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Ah, well the piece in the link you gave is in fact one of the lunar items spelling out Nebkheperuriah, and is in fact the best example of this name. It's identical to Nebkheperure except that it has a lunar disc, note the crescent under the disc, and not a solar one. So while Tutankhamun did of course have the usual five names, he has this additional name, but it is not in a cartouche so not
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I mean that while of course his actual throne name of Nebkheperure was in a cartouche, this lunar name Nebkheperuia is never in a cartouche and is only ever spelled out in the form of the design of these lunar items of jewelry.
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Please tell my why there are PT that start with "Repeat X times", and why Sixth Dynasty kings would have texts in their tombs which in your opinion recount how G1 was built, and why the PT in Unas's pyramid don't even mention the word pyramid. If you cannot provide rational and cogent reasons backed up by a forensic dissection of the texts and other evidence, for instance from
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cladking Wrote:
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> The problem is remarkably simple and obvious. So
> long as the PT is only magic and incantation it is
> simply impossible to know whether our
> interpretations are correct or not. If any
> interpretation made prediction then this would be
> untrue.
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> Any correspondence between the PT a
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The issue with this name though is that it is never in a cartouche and never appears with the rest of his titularly. Then, after having looked at the lengths of all the lunar items which still have a strap, and comparing them to non lunar items, I found that the straps of all the lunar items were much shorter than all the other items. This means that they were made for him at an early age. As a c
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Btw, part of the reasoning behind all this is to counter the fringe accusation that "orthodoxy" is engaged in "group-think" and is incapable of indepedent thought or of questioning anything.
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Certainly we are not completely in the weeds, though there are many problematic areas where what we have is not actually a translation but a transliteration. We see these when we read a text and it means absolutely nothing, and the translator cannot be forthcoming as to just what it means. For instance a particular text that at face value has no meaning, has not notes to accompany the text and th
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Pistol Wrote:
Moreover, the Middle
> Kingdom CT’s were often copies of PT’s attached
> without the copyist knowing what they were,
> examples exist of CT’s including the bio of the
> Old Kingdom cadaver they were copied from.
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> B.A.Hokom
Do you mean here the use of "N" in the translated texts and where they appear.
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Yes, I agree with those observations, and though I entirely disagree with his idea about a Hall of Records, I'll repeat what Manu Seyfzadeh wrote in a comment a few years back on another forum. He called the standard translations "processed translations", perhaps a little harsh, but true in that they really don't differ that much from each other in perpetuating 19th Century bi
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This might seem to be obvious, but maybe we forget this when we engage in discussion about what we think these texts mean.
For a start we are dealing with liturgy, not an AE equivalent of the Bible as a complete text, and certainly not a history book.
So we are dealing with texts taken from a larger corpus and used in specific parts of a funeral liturgy. Add to that the issue that while cer
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I would suggest that Kawai is making the same "error" as most others authors on this, in that he assumes Tutankhamun dated his regnal years from Neferneferuaten. In my opinion it is inconceivable that he did not date his regnal years from the death of Akhenaten, even though he tacitly accepts Amunhotep III as his father and predecessor.
The box 001K inscriptions naming a joint monarc
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Byrd has precisely nailed this, though I will just add that it represents the rejoining of the soul with the body, of Ra that is of course. The actual mechanics of now Ra and Sokar-Osiris "merge" is, apart from on the second shrine of Tutankhamun, which is, er, enigma
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