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I hadn't caught your point but should have. For those who aren't familiar with TA Edison; he had a massive staff working for him who made the lion's share of all the inventions.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
One major thought; I doubt there has been extensive shifting and settling since this structure was built. As weight was piled up to mke it there would have been a little settling but rock doesn't compress a great deal at this level of strain. Any significant changes would be more likely to result in collapse rather than significant movement. This is a seismically active area so thesby cladking - Ancient Egypt
I have to admit that the more I learn the more likely it looks like "orthodoxy" may be mostly correct.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Ronald Wrote: > Water ? How then ? The only way water could have > been used, imo, is as a lubricant in combination > with desert-sand, to facilitate the transport of > the stone-blocks. > > > Ronald. > > I believe they used water filled counterweights on the north side of the pyramid to lift stones up the south face and up from the quarry. The causeby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Jammer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Every layer on the onion begets another layer.... > > We do play in traffic in this part of the > universe. The moon bears witness to accumulated > scars when you don't have weather to heal them. > > Yet it's becoming more common to give early > impacts the credit for seeding muchby cladking - Ancient Egypt
This simply reinforces what I have been claiming all along... ...we're probably all wrong so why not use real science to determine the truth?by cladking - Ancient Egypt
The scientific process begins with an hypothesis. This hypothesis can be made from previous knowledge or a gut instinct. Theories are the end point, not the starting point. My hypothesis is that water was used to build the pyramid and it still appears to be a better starting point than anything I've seen yet, but what do I know?by cladking - Ancient Egypt
...Apropos of nothing in particular; when it does hit it will be an amateur astronomer who first sees it. The pros are too busy looking at this or that to be bothered with something as trivial as the Death Star.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Ecclesiastes says there is nothing new under the sun and this was penned for the bible around 2500 years ago. Ecclesiastes was prob- ably an oral tradition long before the advent of writing which puts it many more centuries before this. There are lots of types of myths and some are probably literally true and a fair representation of actual events and other types can be more in the rby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Anthony Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cladking Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > The size and nature of the pyramids changed > > dramatically after > > the 4th dynasty. > > > As they did before it. But they were always > either tombs or cenotby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Ronald Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Morph Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Well yes, it was designed to serve the > function of > > a tomb, and also to be the focal point of > his > > personal Cult long after he was gone, but he > > obviously had security concerns and couldby cladking - Ancient Egypt
It's interesting that radiocarbon dating again places this earlier than is usually accepted as the time of Khufu's reign (2780-2610 BC). These dating methods tend to err toward the young side which simply excludes current dating.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
RLH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >At the risk of appearing evasive, would you > mind my postponing answering your post until > then? > > No I don’t mind at all!!! I look forward to see > your views on the well shaft. It should make for > some good discussions on the subject. > > I’m wondering if before the pyramid was bby cladking - Ancient Egypt
MJ Thomas Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello Cladking, > > The Well Shaft is just one of the many seeming > enigmas we find in Khufu's pyramid. > > As I have just posted to Anthony, I plan to soon > start a thread dealing specifically with this > Shaft. > Because of this I hope you won't mind my not >by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Anthony Wrote: > > Spherical blocks? What are you talking about? No > pyramid ever used "spherical blocks" as a security > measure. Have you looked at other pyramids and > how they were sealed? There are other pyramids in > Egypt, you know... OK. It appears I got some bum information here. I should have asked when the picture of the area was posby cladking - Ancient Egypt
>The Well Shaft was closed off above the Grotto, and built over for approx. 15 layers of >core blocks because it was, apparently, no longer required, but it was later re-opened by >tunnelling down through the 15 or so layers and building a shaft up as far as the north >end of the Grand gallery. >This doesn’t fit the “workers post-sealing-the-Ascending-Passage escape route” scenarby cladking - Ancient Egypt
> > The "optical precision" of the casing stone joints > is ANOTHER claim based on the misunderstanding of > the technology that was used to put the stones in > place. Since the stones were slab cut from long > rows of blocks, they MUST fit back together with > near-perfect precision. The saw that cut them > apart took out a static amount between twoby cladking - Ancient Egypt
In the "trial passages" there is a small corridor going straight up for this point often called the chimney.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Chimney? Perhaps it was propped up while the cement set.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Thanks so much for the pictures. I've been looking for this view of the trial passages as well. Is the opening to the north the top of the descending passage and the small opening, the chimney? What is the third opening? Perhaps these holes aren't even concurrent with construction. They are intruiging whatever their function.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
I'm thinking these are the ones that Petrie referred to as post holes. If memory serves they are in a row and mostly on the north and west. Depth isn't more than a few feet.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Ronald Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Horizontal ? What do you mean exactly ? > > > Ronald. > Are the ends at the same elevation?by cladking - Ancient Egypt
>I don't agree. Inside of Sneferu's subsidiary is a prototypical grand gallery, it is not >a replica and it neither is nearly exact scaled. Khufu's Grand Gallery is in grander >form. Isn't it horizontal, though?by cladking - Ancient Egypt
So we're back to ramps at an impossible angle and more men than you can shake a stick at? I can't believe any sane man would agree to attempt this or contribute to it. Every aspect of the job appears impossible if done the way that is always suggested.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
MJ Thomas Wrote: > One thing that came to mind when I read the > article was the enigmatic circular holes dotted > about the Giza Plateau - a windlass would need a > hole in the ground... > > MJ Can you add anything about these circular holes? Their depth and general location are of greatest interest to me.by cladking - Ancient Egypt
Hermione Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suspect, Cladking, that the AE might not > necessarily have defined either magic or religion > as we do ... > > Hermione > Owner/Moderator This, too, is probably true. I doubt their concept of religion was dramatically different but magic certainly wasn't primarily prestidigitatby cladking - Ancient Egypt
There's no question that the ancient Egyptians were strongly religious and practiced magic. I suspect the magic was largely based on observational knowledge but, of course, it went far be- yond mere observation and rudimentary science. But it's also possible that our assessment of them may be highly biased by the nature of the material that survives. If archaeol- ologists jby cladking - Ancient Egypt
It's an interesting concept. The windlass is really a little simpler than the wheel since the axle is stationary. It would imply the wheel might have evolved from this rather than rollers, but this presents no real problem. They used drills so this would effectively be a large drill used for pulling rather than boring. The prim- ary advantage would be the ability to work on levelby cladking - Ancient Egypt
Anthony Wrote: > >The fact that the pyramids were intended as tombs is based on the conclusion of a logical >argument consisting of multiple, cross-referencing sets of data. It is as much a theory as evolution or gravity, I suppose. Neither of those, however, could be called >an "assumption". Funny thing gravity. We know it's properties from the amount toby cladking - Ancient Egypt
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the info. > > > > I've seen this pattern before! I'll have to > remember where. > > tempus fugit I've figured out where I've seen it. It is highly similar to the solar cycle as evidenced in tree rings. There is a current correlation betweby cladking - Ancient Egypt