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January 31, 2023, 12:38 pm UTC    
February 09, 2022 06:22AM
Holger Isenberg Wrote:
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> The statement "This ... conclusion seems to
> indicate that the research conducted by Barsoum
> and Ganguly is not sufficient to confirm Mr.
> Davidovits' hypothesis" is logically and legally
> correct, but it doesn't help anyone here to
> understand the discussion and scientific findings
> by SEM analysis.
>
> Because Davidovits sees all or most of the
> limestone blocks of the GP as artificial, and I
> agree with that, while Barsoum has limited his
> results to only the few outer layers, smooth
> casing stones and I guess 2-5 blocks beyond.
> Barsoum clearly states in this finding "crucial
> parts of the Great Pyramids are indeed made of
> reconstituted limestone". Those crucial parts are
> the outer layers.

If Davidovits (1988)' summation of Klemm's earlier conclusions are accurate, Klemm's later (1993) findings must have been significantly revised:

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Based on his analyses, Klemm reported that the twenty pyramid blocks he sampled came from the different geological sites he sampled. In other words, he concluded that blocks for the Great Pyramid were hauled from sites hundreds of miles away from the pyramid itself This presents a dramatic conflict (The pyramids : an enigma solved; Davidovits, Joseph; Morris, Margie; 1988: 34)

But Klemm & Klemm's 1993 analysis of the core construction:

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Abb. 7. Kalkstein des Cheops-Chefren-Steinbruchs von Giza (Probe 286); REM-Aufnahme. Im Gegensatz zu den Proben des Mykerinos-Steinbruchs sind die Kalke der darunterlie- genden Lagen, die vorwiegend für den Kernbau der Chefren- und Cheops-Pyramide gedient haben, wesentlich gröber im Korngefüge aufgebaut. Es herrschen etwa 10mal größere Calcitkristallaggregate vor. Daneben finden sich auch die feinerkörnigen Calcitmatrixgefüge. Bereits bei einem ersten Vergleich lassen sich die beiden Kalksteinqualitäten im REM-Bild voneinander unterscheiden ... (Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.D. (1993) Steine und steinbrüche im alten Ägypten. Spring-Verlag, Berlin: 36)

[Google trans.: Fig. 7. Limestone from the Cheops-Chefren quarry at Giza (sample 286); SEM image. In contrast to the samples from the Mykerinos quarry, the limestone from the underlying layers, which were mainly used for the core construction of the Khafre and Cheops pyramids, have a much coarser grain structure. Approximately 10 times larger calcite crystal aggregates predominate. In addition, the finer-grained calcite matrix structure can also be found. Even with a first comparison, the two limestone qualities can be distinguished from each other in the REM image ... ]

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Kalksteinlagen des oberen Giza-Plateaus (Hier vorwiegend den Sockel der Chefren- und Cheops-Pyramide bildend)

Die grauen bis seltener graugelben Kalke, die die obere Lage des Giza-Plateaus bestimmen, bilden nicht nur die Basis der Cheops-Pyramide, sondern bauen auch einen erheblichen Teil des Sockels der Chefren-Pyramide auf. Da bei Nivellierungsarbei- ten auf diesem Plateau das dabei anfallende Kalk- steinmaterial auch in das Kernmauerwerk der Pyra- miden integriert wurde, muß das gesamte Plateau als ein wichtiges Liefergebiet für die Pyramiden- bauten angesehen werden (59)

[Google trans.: The gray to rarely grey-yellow limestones that determine the upper layer of the Giza Plateau not only form the base of the Cheops Pyramid, but also build up a significant part of the base of the Khafre Pyramid. Since the limestone material produced during leveling work on this plateau was also integrated into the core masonry of the pyramids, the entire plateau must be regarded as an important supply area for the pyramid buildings.]

(And, on the question of the casing stones, as noted, we have the papyri of Merer to show that limestone was ferried from Tura to Akhet Khufu.)

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