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May 12, 2024, 11:11 pm UTC    
February 01, 2008 08:21PM
Thanks for responses.

Byrd: Depends on whether the boats were derived from bundled reed rafts (cut off with sikels/scythes) or dugouts (hollow logs cut out with fire and axes). I think "aqua" correlated to dugouts and derived plankboats but not reed rafts or wooden boats following reed raft design (which would probably include the word for reed/weave).

I accept your point about knapping cores, I meant the OK AE were expert at stone cutting technology, using bronze/copper/iron as stand-ins for antler/bone/stone tools.

Lingusistic research: I started from 10 million years back:
calls and physical gestures, volume + pitch = dominance, territory, alarm
then clicking consonants and tonal humming vowel sounds, at seashores
then vocalized words like mama, waeta (wet, water, wader), m~r, w~t
then technical words like tek, ora, (ochre/ore-man), akwa
then tribal trade words like urban, boater/border, port, paddler/peddler
then herd count words like herdman, turkmen, viking (bi-con), hund-erd (120)
then farm-town words like plow, plot, furrow, bake, store
then city words like poli, script, concentrate (100 cone huts per?)
then modern words like space station, nanotech, computer

Where the AE OK fit in the city + herd + farm + tribal + technical + vocal phases.

By sifting and linking after having looked at the deepest roots of language, coincidental cognates and borrowed words are easier to spot and exclude from potential patterns. I guess what I'm saying is that I may be 20% incorrect on word details, yet be correct conceptually overall.

An example: Indonesian 'topi' = top hat, top is both inverted pot and inverted bottom which is inverted tub which is shortened tube which is inverted bute/boot which is boat.


Lee: regarding "The AE word for water is generally mw; the Nile (“the river”) is jtr.w; another general word for water may be jr.t (WB shows a ?). The word wtr is not water, but blood and that group is apparently attested for the Greek period only."

mw may fit with mar/mer;
wtr = blood correlates to watar (Hittite) wota/vota (Russian) vlad? (Slav?) wet, red, blood (English).


This I interpret from Chris Tedders message at Aker-Akeru thread:
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Aker (Akr) and Akhet (Axt) sometimes share the same 'strip of land' [DDeden: same rootword] det., N18, but otherwise they are written differently - the A in Akr is the 'Egyptian vulture', G1 [DDeden: vulture = open field], but the Ax in Axt, is the 'crested ibis' biliteral sign, G25 [DDeden: ibis = stone pick/chisel/compass (beak)]

'Akhet' (Axtj), (Khufu's pyramid name, designated whole site at Giza in MK) actually referred to Ax-cut-Gem=Ak-khet-Giza, where the whole pyramid gem(s) was an amalgamation of axed "chips" (blocks).

So now we have three similar words relating to cutting action:
[Aker=earth-axe (plow)~"acre", Aker as symbol of cut (plowed-harvested) field?] (field, strip, agri-)
[Akeru=water-axe (boat)~"aqua", Akeru as symbol of cut (navigated) waters?] (dugout, boat, aqua-)
[Akhet=stone-axe (chisel)~"akhet/pet", Akhet as symbol of cut (sculptured) stone?] (petro, cut, petra-)

(Note: "stone-axe" above refers to a tool cutting the stone. So the cutting tool might be a copper saw/iron chisel/quartz ball/flint flake. What paleoanthropologists refer to as the paleolithic Acheuleun "Hand-Axe" or Biface was NOT primarily an axe. It was a bait-trap inserted into a fish or chunk of meat used to disable/kill predator/pest competitors at waterside, and modeled after bilateral clamshells, which were used at shorelines for the same purpose (resembling clams with cutting edge all around), to make the area safe and allow easier hunting/gathering. So when I refer to an "axe/aht/ak" I mean the hammerstone, or chisel or axe. However people of different languages used the Ax- word in different ways, and altered the pronunciation and spelling. The words "action, reaction" derived from the motions of splitting or swinging in stonework.

"The Ocean is variously designated as nw, Sn, Sn-wr and wAD-wr."
Sn = O-Sn (ocean), Eau-Sean/Shawn, Mediterranean Sea water (Saline)

Warwick: The same occurs in Arabic and Hebrew and other languages, addition of noted vowels later.

DDeden

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Aker, Akeru, Akhet

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