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May 6, 2024, 10:17 am UTC    
October 01, 2007 11:51AM
Anthony Wrote:
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> You are selecting one pyramid out of a hundred as
> your proof that the design convention is a
> non-starter as a theft deterrent.

Not at all, Anthony.
I am saying that the dimensions of the Ascending, Descending, and Queen's Chamber passages owe everything to a combination of convention, arithmetic, and geometry and nothing to a theft deterrent.
Whether this also applies to other pyramids of the 4th Dyn and early 5th Dyn (as you know, shortly after this time pyramid interiors became more 'standardised') is not clear to me (insufficient data available), but I do think it likely.

> I ask you to look at some of the pit-burials from
> the same time period. Long, deep shafts with the
> sarcophagus at the very bottom. You can get it
> in, but you can't get it out.

I am well aware of these shafts and other AE burial places.
They have no direct bearing on the sloping passages of Khufu's pyramid.

> Khufu's pyramid was an anomaly with regards to
> having a passage that descended even part-way to
> the entrance (for more than a few feet, anyway).

Khufu's pyramid doesn't have a passage descending to the entrance.
It does, however, have a passage descending from the entrance.
Are you considering the Ascending Passage and upper section of the Descending Passage as one passage?

> The design convention was to have a small passage
> that sloped down (much like we see leading to the
> Subterranean Chamber, the first contingency burial
> chamber in case of Khufu's early demise.)

As you know, I consider your "contingency burial chamber" hypothesis to be completely wrong.

> Getting
> tomb goods...especially large, heavy objects, back
> up a couple hundred feet of steeply sloping,
> low-ceilinged passages was a nightmare.

And what, pray, has this to do with the price of cocoa?

> Petrie
> undertook it to clear out that passage, and it was
> hard work for dozens of men working all day every
> day.

I presume you are talking about the lower end of the Descending Passage.
In which case I should point out that it was the Edgar brothers who had this part completely cleared.
Petrie removed just enough material to allow himself access to the Subterranean Passage and Chamber - which explains why his measurements of the length of the Descending Passage are treated with some caution (and on his advice, at that).

> That kind of work simply can't happen at an
> operating mortuary cult location, with priests and
> guards on duty. That is the environment around
> which Khufu's pyramid was planned and eventually
> executed. However, as I said, this pyramid was
> the exception, and this is just a visual for those
> who really don't know anything about the other
> pyramids, so they can get an idea of why the
> passages in pyramids were the size they were.

I remain unconvinced by your arguments that the dimensions (width and heights) of the pyramid's passages were intended in anyway to deter robbers.

MJ
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Passageways in the Pyramids

Sirfiroth September 29, 2007 12:48AM

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fmetrol September 29, 2007 02:08AM

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fmetrol September 29, 2007 07:34PM

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MJ Thomas September 29, 2007 12:10PM

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Ronald September 30, 2007 04:22PM

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cladking September 30, 2007 04:40PM

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Anthony September 30, 2007 04:53PM

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MJ Thomas September 30, 2007 07:32PM

One in a hundred is not enough

Anthony October 01, 2007 10:37AM

Re: One in a hundred is not enough

MJ Thomas October 01, 2007 11:51AM

No need for detailed, pre-planning.

Ronald October 01, 2007 04:30PM

Re: No need for detailed, pre-planning.

MJ Thomas October 01, 2007 06:37PM

Re: No need for detailed, pre-planning.

Ronald October 02, 2007 05:53AM

Re: No need for detailed, pre-planning.

Ritva Kurittu October 02, 2007 07:23AM

Re: No need for detailed, pre-planning.

Ronald October 02, 2007 12:35PM

Re: No need for detailed, pre-planning.

Ritva Kurittu October 02, 2007 01:09PM

Re: No need for detailed, pre-planning.

Ronald October 02, 2007 04:19PM

Agreed completely

Anthony October 02, 2007 04:30PM

Re: Agreed completely

MJ Thomas October 02, 2007 04:45PM

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Anthony October 02, 2007 05:26PM

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Ronald October 03, 2007 02:28AM

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Anthony October 03, 2007 05:36AM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 06:17AM

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Anthony October 04, 2007 04:09PM

Note

Hermione October 04, 2007 05:12PM

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MJ Thomas October 03, 2007 02:29AM

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MJ Thomas October 05, 2007 02:13PM

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Anthony October 05, 2007 05:01PM

Re: Agreed completely

MJ Thomas October 06, 2007 10:13AM

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MJ Thomas October 06, 2007 05:30PM

Two posts answered in one

Anthony October 10, 2007 02:29PM

Re: Agreed completely

Ronald October 03, 2007 01:20AM

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Anthony October 03, 2007 05:40AM

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Ritva Kurittu October 03, 2007 09:59AM

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Anthony October 03, 2007 12:25PM

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Ritva Kurittu October 03, 2007 12:56PM

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Ronald October 03, 2007 05:48PM

Respecting the Pyramid Builders

Anthony October 04, 2007 05:04AM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 06:03AM

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Anthony October 04, 2007 01:19PM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 04:05PM

Re: Agreed completely

Ritva Kurittu October 03, 2007 10:02AM

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Ronald October 03, 2007 05:59PM

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Ritva Kurittu October 04, 2007 11:15AM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 12:43PM

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Ritva Kurittu October 04, 2007 02:27PM

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cladking October 04, 2007 03:33PM

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Hermione October 04, 2007 03:46PM

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Anthony October 04, 2007 07:43PM

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cladking October 04, 2007 07:49PM

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Anthony October 05, 2007 05:48AM

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Ritva Kurittu October 05, 2007 10:05AM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 04:47PM

Khufu's redundant pyramid

Anthony October 04, 2007 07:42PM

Re: Khufu's redundant pyramid

Ronald October 05, 2007 08:41AM

Re: Khufu's redundant pyramid

David Johnson October 05, 2007 09:32AM

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Ronald October 05, 2007 05:35PM

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David Johnson October 06, 2007 07:33AM

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Ronald October 05, 2007 05:33PM

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cladking October 05, 2007 06:04PM

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Ronald October 06, 2007 06:42AM

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cladking October 06, 2007 10:11AM

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MJ Thomas October 06, 2007 10:54AM

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Ronald October 06, 2007 05:11PM

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MJ Thomas October 06, 2007 05:40PM

Re: Passageways in the Pyramids

MJ Thomas September 30, 2007 07:10PM

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Ronald October 01, 2007 05:54AM

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MJ Thomas October 01, 2007 10:38AM

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Anthony October 01, 2007 10:48AM

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Ronald October 03, 2007 06:21PM

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Anthony October 04, 2007 05:08AM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 10:20AM

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Ritva Kurittu October 04, 2007 11:22AM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 12:55PM

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Ritva Kurittu October 04, 2007 02:34PM

Note

Hermione October 04, 2007 02:57PM

Re: Note

Ritva Kurittu October 04, 2007 03:11PM

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Ronald October 04, 2007 04:33PM

Final Post on the Ad Hoc Pyramid scheme

Anthony October 04, 2007 07:34PM

Re: Final Post on the Ad Hoc Pyramid scheme

Ronald October 05, 2007 02:41AM

Re: Passageways in the Pyramids

Jammer October 02, 2007 12:25PM

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Anthony September 29, 2007 06:23PM

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Sirfiroth September 30, 2007 12:32AM

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MJ Thomas September 30, 2007 05:35AM

Pyramid Resources for Beginners

Anthony September 30, 2007 09:36AM

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Sirfiroth September 30, 2007 01:09PM

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Anthony September 30, 2007 04:52PM

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Sirfiroth September 30, 2007 07:04PM

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Anthony September 30, 2007 07:18PM

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MJ Thomas September 30, 2007 08:03PM

Moderator Note

Pete Clarke October 01, 2007 05:26AM

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Anthony October 01, 2007 10:40AM

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Ritva Kurittu October 01, 2007 11:44AM

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Sirfiroth October 02, 2007 04:32PM

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Anthony October 02, 2007 05:32PM

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MJ Thomas September 30, 2007 07:20PM

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Anthony October 01, 2007 11:01AM

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cladking October 01, 2007 01:21PM

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MJ Thomas October 01, 2007 02:51PM

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Rick Baudé October 02, 2007 09:26AM

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MJ Thomas October 02, 2007 04:35PM

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Anthony October 02, 2007 06:09PM

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Anthony October 02, 2007 08:21PM



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