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> I don't recall Tr having pen-feathered wings.
I don't recall Zs being classified as a hopper.
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> > And did this guy swoop or pounce down on his
> prey
> > from a perch once he got there?
>
> He had a machete hanging from his belt, cut some
> fronds and a cluster of nuts, then climbed down.
> He could have pounced, but didn't.
If he was close enough to the ground to have pounced without killing himself, he wouldn't have need to climb up in the first place, IMO.
Every one of the reconstructions I've seen so far show trees that clearly are not suitable for pouncing out of.
> >
> > > I'm not saying Zs did this, but I wanted
> to
> > > mention it as a possible method,
> especially
> > since
> > > it may have used its arm claws to
> spur/spike
> > and
> > > pull itself up in an inchworm fashion
> similar
> > to
> > > this:
>
> (Wallace: Malay Archipelago) Timorese honeyhunters
> climb with bare feet walking up trunk while each
> hand holds a rope wrapped around the trunk. In
> Malaya, being ignorant of palmtree climbing, I
> held the rope but had it around my back too, big
> mistake, wore me out trying to both lean back
> against the rope and stepping up the trunk,
> exhausted me at 15' up, so I dropped to the ground
> (sandy beach), I guess I "pounced" though only to
> release myself from the tree.
And caught what in the process, a turtle? You claimed: "that swooped down on ground prey".
No one is arguing people can't climb poles, I posted a link to a guy beating a chimp up a pole myself on another thread did you miss it? Neither one of them caught anything on the way down.
> > Posted by: DDeden
> >
> > Date: January 11, 2016 04:19AM
> >
> > > Why do they insist on portraying these
> > dino-birds in that position?"
> >
> > If you can't present evidence to the
> contrary, and
> > you can't find any professional papers or
> data to
> > suggest otherwise, what do you have to
> question
> > otherwise with, negative evidence?
>
> Alternatives to conventional opinion may be
> warranted if the evidence is seen differently.
No, since you are the only one claiming:
"They were not really fast ground runners, they probably hopped most of the time. They were forest tree-perchers (see big perching claw) that swooped down on ground prey, and probably danced and displayed near ground level."
It is up to you to produce the evidence or references.
[
news.nationalgeographic.com]
New Dinosaur Had Killer Claw
"Stretching about 8 feet (2.5 meters) and weighing 55 pounds (25 kilograms), Linheraptor would have been a fast, agile animal that preyed on small horned dinosaurs related to Triceratops, which also lived the area."
You don't refute conventional evidence with opinion.
> Running flyers were not primitive.
What does that have to do with Zs? No one has demonstrated unequivocally it could fly at all.
>
> >
> > > > Ostrich-like
> > >
> > > ostrich
> >
> > I didn't say "ostrich" I said
> > "ostrich-like"....like this one with teeth
> and a
> > fast runner in the dinosaurs[6] were
> theropod
> > dinosaurs which bore a superficial
> resemblance to
> > modern ostriches."
> >
> >
> >
> > > = no teeth,
> >
> > "Some primitive species (such as
> Pelecanimimus and
> > Harpymimus) had teeth, but most had
> toothless
> > beaks."
> >
> > > no long bony fleshy straight
> > > tail, lives on exposed open plains,
> never
> > dense
> > > forest
> >
> > Those OSTRICH-LIKE did, and it looks like
> they
> > were good runners, in spite of the dense
> forest.
>
> Dense tropical rainforest probably.
Not dense or tropical enough to have prevented a creature like Linheraptor from evolving in it.
> >
> > >
> > > Creatures from
> > > > 100 million years ago lived in
> dense
> > forests
> > > and
> > > > no one is suggesting they sprang
> out of
> > > > trees/ferns from a perch to catch
> prey,
> > > except
> > > > you, so far.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Zs likely climbed, perched, scanned and
> > pounced
> > > within dense forests, IMO.
> >
> >
> > Then you remain very much alone in your
> opinion. I
> > think I've referenced at least three types
> of
> > dense-forest runners so far. So I fail to see
> your
> > argument continuing to point out Zs lived in
> a
> > dense forest.
> >
>
> Dense tropical rainforest rich with (new)
> angiosperms aka flowering plants which depended
> upon pollination from flying fauna.
No one is arguing flyers weren't around at the time of Zs.
Are you suggesting Zs was crawling up trees pollinating them?