February 03, 2016 11:51PM
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DDeden Wrote:
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> Jammer Wrote:
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> > Agreed, there are so many other threads on
> the
> > boards where a new piece of data or two
> &
> > posters (sadly including myself at times) run
> off
> > not just leaping, but pole vaulting to
> > conclusions...
>
> I had a long discussion with D Marjonovic at
> Darren Naish's Tetrapod Zoology years ago about
> this same topic (Dinobirds climb & pounce, not
> run & fly).
Any quick references to those arguments?
>Here I simply applied it to Zs,
> using the image as support (diurnal/display).
> > For instance, where have Zs bones been tested
> to
> > in the hollowing out/air cells process?
> Perhaps I
> > missed this but it would be an important
> stage of
> > potential flight.
> > iirc Pterosaur had hollow wing bones, but may
> have
> > been more likely to soar than take off from
> the
> > ground...
> >
> > Jammer
>
> I don't know, but the short wingspan indicates
> short flight,
The authors studied Zs in person. They had plenty to say about the flight issue and left the door open as to whether it was capable of flight or not. For you to state the short wingspan indicates "short flight" is a conclusion not based on the evidence, since there is no positive evidence either way. Maybe I'm reading them wrong, but they seem quite neutral.
> so I wouldn't expect hollow bones.
> However, some claim that dense bones indicate
> running, so that might be examined as well.
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