February 02, 2016 05:10PM
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DDeden Wrote:
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> Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> > DDeden Wrote:
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> >
> > > As I said, animals on the defense fight
> with
> > > everything they have.
> >
> > Sure, some work better than others for
> kicking
> > lions.
> >
> > > All modern birds retain
> > > forelimb claws,
> >
> > OK, spurs then, on the leading edge of the
> wing.
> > Some are larger than others. I know that with
> legs
> > and beak taped, I wouldn't want an ostrich
> > flapping it's wing spurs in my face or Zs.
> >
> >
> > > typically diminutive.
> >
> > )
> > "Unlike claws, spurs are normally straight or
> only
> > slightly curved, making them suited to
> striking or
> > stabbing. In birds and mammals, their
> function
> > appears to be for fighting, defense and
> territory
> > marking, rather than for predation."
> >
> >
> > > To me, dino-birds do not have good
> modern
> > > analogies, that's why I mentioned
> linemen,
> > > leopards, etc.
> >
> > So you can't test directly then, any analogy
> is
> > based on something else, climbing, display,
> and so
> > on. Big spurs in that case would most
> logically be
> > for fighting IMO. So if you can't test it on
> > living Zs, all is just opinion.
> >
>
> Do you have any evidence that ostrich
> spurs/forewing claws are used in spurring?
No, I only found one site that mentioned defensive spurs on leading edge of wings. But I didn't spend a lot of time looking.
> I've
> never seen them used in combat, nor for digging or
> climbing. I wonder if they are like fingernails,
> protecting the wings and wingtips.
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www.youtube.com]
Allan's video again. What happens when a small animal(s) tries to move an ostrich off it's eggs? Sure, a lion will send one running away, but what about when the ostrich doesn't need to stand up and kick?
My bet is now that remote cameras (drones and such too) are getting so sophisticated we will be learning a lot more about the habits of all sorts of animals that wasn't possible in the past.
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