Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> > Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> > > DDeden Wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > I would suggest that it was likely
> > diurnal,
> > > living
> > > > in a dense forest, and that
> dazzling
> > > coloration (
> > > > & crest) was largely a male
> > feature,
> > > while
> > > > females were probably dull toned
> to
> > match
> > > the
> > > > forest floor and tree bark.
> > >
> > > The T-rex link is accompanied by actual
> > data,
> > > right or wrong (refutable), suggestions
> are
> > not.
> >
> > I've been silent on T rex.
>
> > Did Tr have
> > pen-feathered wings?
>
> Refute David Peters data, with counter data. And
> the paper above covers what they thought about the
> wings. Nothing I have refutes their claims on the
> matter.

I don't recall Tr having pen-feathered wings.

>
> >
> > > Line men don't climb by jabbing their
> long
> > front
> > > toes (or artificial spurs on the front
> of
> > their
> > > boots) into a pole.
> >
> > True. However I personally watched a guy
> swiftly
> > climb a tall coconut palm with "toe spikes"
> > attached to or part of his boots (and wearing
> a
> > belt).
>
> And did this guy swoop or pounce down on his prey
> from a perch once he got there?

He had a machete hanging from his belt, cut some fronds and a cluster of nuts, then climbed down. He could have pounced, but didn't.

>
>
> > I'm not saying Zs did this, but I wanted to
> > mention it as a possible method, especially
> since
> > it may have used its arm claws to spur/spike
> and
> > pull itself up in an inchworm fashion similar
> to
> > this:

(Wallace: Malay Archipelago) Timorese honeyhunters climb with bare feet walking up trunk while each hand holds a rope wrapped around the trunk. In Malaya, being ignorant of palmtree climbing, I held the rope but had it around my back too, big mistake, wore me out trying to both lean back against the rope and stepping up the trunk, exhausted me at 15' up, so I dropped to the ground (sandy beach), I guess I "pounced" though only to release myself from the tree.

>
> Posted by: DDeden
>
> Date: January 11, 2016 04:19AM
>
> > Why do they insist on portraying these
> dino-birds in that position?"
>
> If you can't present evidence to the contrary, and
> you can't find any professional papers or data to
> suggest otherwise, what do you have to question
> otherwise with, negative evidence?

Alternatives to conventional opinion may be warranted if the evidence is seen differently. Running flyers were not primitive.


>
> > > Ostrich-like
> >
> > ostrich
>
> I didn't say "ostrich" I said
> "ostrich-like"....like this one with teeth and a
> fast runner in the dinosaurs[6] were theropod
> dinosaurs which bore a superficial resemblance to
> modern ostriches."
>
>
>
> > = no teeth,
>
> "Some primitive species (such as Pelecanimimus and
> Harpymimus) had teeth, but most had toothless
> beaks."
>
> > no long bony fleshy straight
> > tail, lives on exposed open plains, never
> dense
> > forest
>
> Those OSTRICH-LIKE did, and it looks like they
> were good runners, in spite of the dense forest.

Dense tropical rainforest probably.

>
> >
> > Creatures from
> > > 100 million years ago lived in dense
> forests
> > and
> > > no one is suggesting they sprang out of
> > > trees/ferns from a perch to catch prey,
> > except
> > > you, so far.
> > >
> >
> > Zs likely climbed, perched, scanned and
> pounced
> > within dense forests, IMO.
>
>
> Then you remain very much alone in your opinion. I
> think I've referenced at least three types of
> dense-forest runners so far. So I fail to see your
> argument continuing to point out Zs lived in a
> dense forest.
>

Dense tropical rainforest rich with (new) angiosperms aka flowering plants which depended upon pollination from flying fauna.