February 01, 2016 12:03AM
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DDeden Wrote:
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> Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> > DDeden Wrote:
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> > > Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> > > > When first found, dromeosaurs and
> > raptors
> > > were
> > > > assumed to be naked, like the
> bigger
> > > dinosaurs. So
> > > > they were drawn and studied and
> > understood
> > > as
> > > > active runners, not hoppers. There
> is
> > no
> > > reason to
> > > > change that; all larger birdasaurs
> > > > run rather than hop. Emus,
> ostriches,
> > > chickens,
> > > > ducks--they are runners, not
> hoppers.
> >
> > >You have mixed things.
>
> KK: "..all larger birdasaurs
> run rather than hop. Emus, ostriches, chickens,
> ducks--they are runners, not hoppers. "
>
> Modern birds are not dino-birds.
Well, ostriches are considered birds and they go back, what, over 100 million years(?) and are considered dinosaurs by some. I'm sorry there is disagreement over definitions. I don't think anyone would claim no changes at all in 100 million years.
> Lee Olsen claims: So you have.
>
> Whence?
See above.
> >
> > > Those AREN'T dense forest
> > > fauna!!
> >
> > The Guardian article says: "The near
> complete
> > skeleton of the feathered raptor was found
> in
> > sedimentary rock that formed in ancient lake
> beds
> > in China’s Liaoning Province."
> > That means to me it was just as close to a
> lake as
> > it was a dense forest.
>
> I recall "dense forest" only.
I grew up in a logging town. Old growth forests were open areas under the canopy, that one could run through or ride motorbikes in with no problems. It was the second growth or burned areas that were so dense you couldn't hardly walk through them. So it all just depends.
> That was the basis
> for my claim. It remains so until verified
> incorrect.
Since no data has been presented yet about what the exact type of forest or exactly how close it was to where Zs lived, the rock it was found in was from a lake. That trumps for now.
> Zs did not eat/sleep/fight while
> submerged in a lake.
Nor is there any evidence it pounced out of trees onto it's victims. Since there is only one Zs known, it could just as well have been a rare event where it ran into the lake chasing a victim and got in over it's head...as long as we are making up stories, anything goes.
> Note: Zs was diurnal (based on reconstruction's
> colorful image), kiwis are nocturnal with
> NON-dazzling plumage resembling a beaver or fawn.
It was already pointed out in one of the interviews that those feathers could have been used for any number of things, insulation, protecting nests, displays...it seems like take your choice.
> >
> > But that's beside the point, plenty of room
> to run
> > here:
> >
> > Just because it's a dense forest doesn't
> mean you
> > can't run in one.
> >
> >
>
> I don't know who termed that woodlands a "dense
> forest". It is wide open beneath the canopy.
Right. Since the paper doesn't mention much except the actual physical description of Zs, pretty hard to tell exactly what the environment was at the time. I know the Early Cretaceous is not today's Africa, but you don't have to walk very far to get from savanna to forest to woodland there.
So far I like this best:
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pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com]
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cicely |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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Jammer |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Rick Baudé |
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Khazar-khum |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Rick Baudé |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Rick Baudé |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Jammer |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Jammer |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Khazar-khum |
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Rick Baudé |
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DDeden |
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Khazar-khum |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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Lee Olsen |
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DDeden |
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