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May 9, 2024, 1:40 am UTC    
May 24, 2005 05:40PM
Sue Wrote:
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> kenuchelover Wrote:
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> > Joanne Wrote:
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> > > Surprise! I don't agree with him. My supermarkets
> > > have wonderful fresh good food...Has anyone told
> > > Morford about the genetic engineering going on
> > > with soy products? We have hormone-free milk
> > > available. I'll keep right on drinking it over
> > > that nasty soy stuff...
> > >
> > > We have plenty of fresh produce, we have meat and
> > > fish with information on place of origin and
> > > treatement, and we have whole grain cereals and
> > > breads. We have a lot of the other things he
> > > mentions, but so what? You don't have to buy
> > > them, and you certainly don't have to buy all of
> > > them. I think this guy needs professional help.
> > >
> > > Joanne
> >
> > I agree, the hyperbole in his language suggests he
> > has some major emotional/mental problems.
>
> Is it really all that hyperbolic?

Yes. Look again at his language:

*******
“goddamn circus”…..”bizarrely overlit funhouse, a massive chaotic attack on all your senses and an outright assault on your optic nerves”….”Ruffles Sour Cream and Strychnine”…….”chemical-blasted, hormone-injected, meat-like slabs in the butcher's section that seem to look at you as you amble by, and hiss”.
“it's a true wonder that more people don't walk out of these places suffering something akin to full-body spasms and devolving into semi-catatonic mumblings about loudly colored boxes of S'Mores cereal and giant bags of neon-orange Doritos attacking them from above.”
“In fact, actually, some people do. Some people pick up on these nasty agents of vibrational doom far more than others. Maybe that someone is you. And maybe you don't even realize just how bad it is. Yet.”
“frozen premolded wax-glazed Pepperoni Bagel Bites that taste like cardboard and rancid sheep's blood”…..”Reese's-flavored, sugar-drenched breakfast cereal that looks like something your dog coughed up”.
“yummy insect parts aswim in that foot-high stack of cheap-ass, hyperpink Oscar Mayer bologna”.
“Listen in wonder as that case of Dr. Pepper seems to cry out to your pancreas, begging to induce type 2 diabetes. Feel your very colon quiver and scream as you stroll by the wall of frozen Jimmy Dean breakfast sausage biscuits. Woe is your body and your spirit in this savage, toxic wasteland.”
(**Snip a totally irrelevant implied comparison to Japanese cartoons that atypically induced fits in some children**)
(re organic/etc grocery stores): “foods that don't have, as their first ingredient, imminent death, or refined sugar, or high-fructose corn syrup, or Bright Flaming Red No. 3, or Known Cancerous Substance No. 4, or Raging Obesity-Related Heart Disease No. 11.”
“And when you shop in these places for a while, an amazing thing happens: your body changes. Your senses recalibrate. You calm down. Equilibrium returns. You note all the pronounceable ingredients. You note that there aren't endless arrays of garbage foods, most of them marketed to children and every single one sealed in hideous molded plastic tubs containing more packaging than foodstuff. And you note the people, the customers, seem less, I don't know, dazed? Overwhelmed? Drugged?
And then, when you least expect it, you find yourself in some situation or in some town with no other grocery options and you innocently walk back into Safeway to try to buy some organic hormone-free eggs (ha-ha yeah right good luck) - and WHAM. Sensory overload. Low-vibration overload. You get what in meditation circles they would call whacked, slapped upside the spirit by dank, malicious energy. Supermarket Syndrome.
“Pork-like sausage in a can. Cool Whip with enough high-fructose corn syrup to caulk your driveway. Creepy chicken-flavored sauce packets, ten to a box”

“Crustless white bread of sufficient consistency to plug Hoover Dam”
“Remember how when you were a little kid and you drank gallons of pasteurized two-percent milk with your Oreos and you thought it was amazing and good? And then when you reached adulthood you (hopefully) got away from that nasty stuff and maybe switched to nonfat or even (hopefully) soy or almond or rice milk because you learned that milk is for babies and besides, those sad cows are pretty much bathed in noxious hormones and chemicals from birth? Remember?”
“And then one day you just so happened to be handed a glass of old-school milk and you remembered your happy childhood, so you took a big swig and almost gagged because it tasted like thick liquid phlegm and you were like, "Oh my God, how the hell did I ever drink this crap?" Supermarket Syndrome is exactly like that, except with buildings.”
“And yes, it really is vibrational. And yes, your body can actually feel it, feel the violent lack of positive energy in all that processed crap, feel it deep down, where the meanings are, and if you've ever walked out of Safeway or Best Buy or Wal-Mart feeling oddly soiled and grimy and vaguely depressed, if not outright sick to your stomach, you know exactly what I mean.”
“Sugar-free SnackWell's cookies featuring GMO wheat and eight pounds per square bite of cancer-happy sucralose and aspartame. Velveeta. Kraft "Shrek"-shaped Cheese Nips featuring enough thiamine mononitrate and disodium phosphate and partially hydrogenated oil and outright brain-cramping MSG to kill, well, Shrek.”
“We are surrounded…. American consumer culture is teeming with….. demon-spawn products…. we can no longer even recognize how bad it is, how it is all meant to drive us slowly insane, so slowly we forget to keep asking why we feel so sick all the time”
“Hie thee to local markets, organic places, natural foods, small grocery stores staffed by people who do not seem to be secretly mapping out ways to dismember your children as they ring up your groceries”……”It is not too late. The rice milk is waiting”.
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The man IS very disturbed.... he demonizes what he doesn't personally like, invents or exaggerates health risks past the point of libel, brings in New Age pseudoreligion nonsense like "vibrations" & "positive energy". Oh, and he glorifies the natural life (which I'm convinced HE hasn't experianced) to the point of fantasy.

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE living low impact & off the grid & natural as much as possible.

But I don't romanticize it, or turn it into a fictionalized fantasy image. It's real, it's satisfying, but it's also a helluva lot of hard work, often unhygienic, and always a lot more.... uh, "biological".... than most people are nowadays comfortable dealing with.

> Just because there are some good stores, doesn't
> mean that he isn't right about many of them.

The big chain stores all consist pretty much of clones of each other, if you've seen one Safeway you've seen most of them.

I've seen a lot of them, they AREN'T anything near as bad as he rants. Matter of fact, I ALSO go to Whole Foods.... it's packaging can be just as glaring, some of it's food items CAN offend your taste buds (this is called "customer diversity".... nothing suits ALL people).

And some of these small grocery stores, organic or otherwise, are REAL health disasters!

> Why do you think so many children are unhealthy
> and overweight,

1) Lack of exercise, and an UNBALANCED diet. It's NOT the shopping at Safeway that causes problems, it's buying too many frozen dinners & snackfoods instead of using such things to occasionally liven up a healthier if blander diet.

ANY Safeway on the planet has dried beans, whole grain bread, canned/frozen or fresh vegetables, cheese, canned or fresh fruit, lean meat, fish, etc. Eat mostly THAT & exercise regularly & you'll be healthy.

Yeah, many of the grains & veggies will be GMO (smell the roses, quite a bit of what used to be labeled "Organic" was GMO.... nowadays they can get away with labeling it "grown organically" or such. And they can still call it organic if there is contamination with herbicide/pesticide/GMO stuff during processing, or if pesticide drift goes undetected/unreported in the fields, AS IT ALMOST ALWAYS DOES.). And there ARE tiny traces of pesticides/herbicides in the food.... but you're already exposed to this in your house (has ANYBODY ever used a can of Raid, maybe before you lived in the house? Ever use any weedkillers in the yard? Built something out of lumber.... typically injected nowadays with pesticides & arsenic to prevent rot & insect damage?), as well as to other harmful synthetic chemicals (have an artifical fiber rug? Have plastic toys, or rayon clothes? Have a TV? Electrical wiring?). But you'll STILL be healthier than you would eating a poorly selection of health foods & remaining a couch potato.


> and why so many people contract
> type 2 diabetes at earlier and earlier ages,

Genetics, diet, and environment.

To avoid type 2 diabetes, either:

1) Pick the right ancestors.
2) avoid high sugar/low fiber foods & get lots of exercise.

> not to mention the effect of processing,

Why NOT mention the effects of processing? Yes, processing foods lowers their nutritional value.... but then it stays largely FIXED at that level. By contrast, "fresh" foods KEEP losing nutritional value every minute after they're picked.

So in order of nutrition:

1) Organically grown produce that you pick & eat that SAME day, preferably eating it within hours of picking.

2) Frozen or canned produce.

3) "Fresh" produce at EITHER organic/health food stores OR at big Supermarket chains, that is typically days or WEEKS past picking. (organic/health food stuff often starts out better, but then slower transport & slower turnover starts making it fall behind stuff at the big chain stores).

> hormones, and pesticides?

Guess what? You get hormone exposure in more things than you think (would you believe health care products!) And pesticides are so scattered in the ecosystem that NOTHING is totally free of them. "Organic stuff" SHOULD be, but the advantage is ruined if you use any pesticides in your house or garden. And if you WASH chain store produce... "just to be safe... you decrease the minimal pesticide content even further.

> I, too, shop and eat rationally.. but that doesn't
> say diddly squat about Morford's rhetoric or
> mental condition.
>
> Get a grip.
>
> Sue

We did. He uses exteme hyperbole, says libel, and has a rather poor grip on reality.

Kenuchelover.
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Sue May 22, 2005 09:43AM

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